hkovalcik

Bd, what does MY stand for? Mid-year? I see it a lot.

Does this have anything to do with the fire? Why would a mid-year '98 996 be the one to have? Just curious, thanks

jobyt

Model Year

bdronsick

@jobyt is right “Model Year” 1999 is the “year” Carrera to have

hkovalcik

So if the 996 production run began in Sept '98, and my car was built in Jan '98, you're saying anything prior to Sept '98 is part of the 993 production line? I have ambers and all too. Benefits of being a part of the 993 production line??

Edit: disregard, @bdronsick just read your post on benefits of the '99 - cool stuff, thanks for writing that up.

islaTurbine

Where is this documented? In my experience the non-sequentiality occurs between USA and RoW cars.

bdronsick

https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...ispreloading=1

longrowe

looks like mine got dropped.

longrowe 12/97 coupe tip ROW WP0ZZZ99ZWS602301 Zenith Blue/ Boxster Red full leather C32 150 222 224 234 249 288 330 408 421 425 432 437 438 441 454 490 537 563 571 635 650 680 692 936 981 983
Hkovalcik 01/98 Coupe Manual US WP0AA2999XS620083 Arena Red/Graphite Grey Full Leather
USCARERRA 07/98 Coupe Manual US WP0AA2996X623362 PTS Tangerine Orange/Nephrite
DWDM 03/98 Coupe Manual US WP0AA2999XS621069 Vesuvio/Space Grey Full Leather XAA
GarrettSR5 06/98 Coupe manual US WP0AA2995XS623126 Arctic Silver/Black Leather C02 X47 X54 X58 X70 X71 437 438 446 490 537 939 982 09991
MAGK944 07/98 cab tip US WPOCA299XXS651898 Arctic Silver/Metropol Blue Leather
DBJoe996 7/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2991XS623365 Man. Date 7/98 Engine M96/0166W14443 Paladio Metallic/Black interior
aaronjb 3/98 coupe manual USWP0AA2991XS621602 Arctic Silver / Boxster Red C02 014 030 220 222 224 234 375 378 408 490 692 936 981 983
jmelzer 3/98 Glacier White Coupe Manual US WP0AA299XXS621131 C02 424 446 688 939 982
FirstFlatSix 7/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2992XS623228 Guards/Savannah XAA
MoeMonney 04/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2997XS622026 Arctic Silver / Black CO2 490 688 X70
Harry_sz **/97 coupe manual EURO WP0ZZZ99ZWS602182 Zenith-blue/Tan C00 139 197 220 222 224 326 340 421 441 490 563 573 650 659 939 981 982
Alpina68 02/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2999XS620617 Arctic Silver / Space Grey Partial leather C02 220 222 224 424 490 688
98911S 07/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2995XS623479 Artic Silver/ black leather C02 041 220 222 224 288 413 446 490 692
tedg04 02/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2994XS620542 Gray / Gray C02 424 437 438 490 537 688 692
mccahey 03/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2990XS621106 Artic Silver / Black CO2 234 408 437 438 446 490 537 692 939 981 982
twitchett 04/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2995XS622171 Arctic Silver/Black C02 234 408 424 888
mstakacs 09/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2998XS623749 Arena Red/Savannah Beige
Boff 04/98 Coupe Manual US WPOAA2993XS622217 black/savannah CO2 XKL XNG XNN XNU XN3 XU1 220 222 224 437 438537 938 981 983 09991
GH996 7/98 Coupe Manual US WPOAA2996XS623233 Guards Red / black
bbiela 03/98 coupe, manual US WP0AA2990XS620927 Ocean Blue/Savannah, 408
Springbank 3/98 coupe manual US WPOAA299XXS621274 Arctic Silver/Metropol Blue C02, 139, 220, 222, 224, 340, 437, 438, 446, 490, 537, 680, 692, 939, 982
Coopduc 3/98 coupe manual US WP0AA299XXS621498 Artic Silver/black C02, 014, 030, 220, 222, 224, 234, 375, 408, 424, 425, 490, 688, 983
pauldvazquez 7/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2995XS623420 Arena Red/ Savannah Beige. C02, 041, 413, 413, 424, 44S 490, 688
Tom2769 4/98 Coupe manual US WP0AA2992XS621642 Arctic Silver/black
Y2KARRERA [unsure] Coupe Tip US WP0AA2990XS623549 black/savannah
Y2KARRERA 2/98 Coupe manual US WP0AA299XXS620688 black/black
Y2KARRERA 1/98 Coupe manual US WP0AA2990XS620232 Arctic silver/black
MBH911 998 coupe manual US WPOAA2996XS623749
MBH911 5/98 coupe manual US WPOAA2996XS622745 Arctic Silver / black C02,234,408,490,938,983,592
jobyt: 02/98 Coupé manual US WP0AA2993XS620662 Arctic Silver/Black 220/222/224 424/446/490/688
Sam-Son 2/98 Coupe manual black/black XS620530 LSD
stevensctt 07/98 Cabriolet manual, US WP0CA2992XS651636 L555 BL C02, 234, 408, 424, 437, 438, 448, 490, 537, 551, 659, 880, 888, 892, 939, 981, 982
168glhs1986: 03/98 coupe manual US Glacier White / Black: Partial Leather, WP0AA2991XS621230
wisco3/98 3/98 coupe manual ocean US blue/savannah beige WP0AA2990XS620926 408
TIEVOMMM 6/98 coupe manual US glacier white/space grey supple leather XAA
bdronsick 07/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2993XS623514 vesuvio/black 408, 09991

bdronsick

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longrowe 12/97 coupe tip ROW WP0ZZZ99ZWS602301 Zenith Blue/ Boxster Red full leather C32 150 222 224 234 249 288 330 408 421 425 432 437 438 441 454 490 537 563 571 635 650 680 692 936 981 983
Hkovalcik 01/98 Coupe Manual US WP0AA2999XS620083 Arena Red/Graphite Grey Full Leather
USCARERRA 07/98 Coupe Manual US WP0AA2996X623362 PTS Tangerine Orange/Nephrite
DWDM 03/98 Coupe Manual US WP0AA2999XS621069 Vesuvio/Space Grey Full Leather XAA
GarrettSR5 06/98 Coupe manual US WP0AA2995XS623126 Arctic Silver/Black Leather C02 X47 X54 X58 X70 X71 437 438 446 490 537 939 982 09991
MAGK944 07/98 cab tip US WPOCA299XXS651898 Arctic Silver/Metropol Blue Leather
DBJoe996 7/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2991XS623365 Man. Date 7/98 Engine M96/0166W14443 Paladio Metallic/Black interior
aaronjb 3/98 coupe manual USWP0AA2991XS621602 Arctic Silver / Boxster Red C02 014 030 220 222 224 234 375 378 408 490 692 936 981 983
jmelzer 3/98 Glacier White Coupe Manual US WP0AA299XXS621131 C02 424 446 688 939 982
FirstFlatSix 7/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2992XS623228 Guards/Savannah XAA
MoeMonney 04/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2997XS622026 Arctic Silver / Black CO2 490 688 X70
Harry_sz **/97 coupe manual EURO WP0ZZZ99ZWS602182 Zenith-blue/Tan C00 139 197 220 222 224 326 340 421 441 490 563 573 650 659 939 981 982
Alpina68 02/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2999XS620617 Arctic Silver / Space Grey Partial leather C02 220 222 224 424 490 688
98911S 07/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2995XS623479 Artic Silver/ black leather C02 041 220 222 224 288 413 446 490 692
tedg04 02/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2994XS620542 Gray / Gray C02 424 437 438 490 537 688 692
mccahey 03/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2990XS621106 Artic Silver / Black CO2 234 408 437 438 446 490 537 692 939 981 982
twitchett 04/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2995XS622171 Arctic Silver/Black C02 234 408 424 888
mstakacs 09/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2998XS623749 Arena Red/Savannah Beige
Boff 04/98 Coupe Manual US WPOAA2993XS622217 black/savannah CO2 XKL XNG XNN XNU XN3 XU1 220 222 224 437 438537 938 981 983 09991
GH996 7/98 Coupe Manual US WPOAA2996XS623233 Guards Red / black
bbiela 03/98 coupe, manual US WP0AA2990XS620927 Ocean Blue/Savannah, 408
Springbank 3/98 coupe manual US WPOAA299XXS621274 Arctic Silver/Metropol Blue C02, 139, 220, 222, 224, 340, 437, 438, 446, 490, 537, 680, 692, 939, 982
Coopduc 3/98 coupe manual US WP0AA299XXS621498 Artic Silver/black C02, 014, 030, 220, 222, 224, 234, 375, 408, 424, 425, 490, 688, 983
pauldvazquez 7/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2995XS623420 Arena Red/ Savannah Beige. C02, 041, 413, 413, 424, 44S 490, 688
Tom2769 4/98 Coupe manual US WP0AA2992XS621642 Arctic Silver/black
Y2KARRERA [unsure] Coupe Tip US WP0AA2990XS623549 black/savannah
Y2KARRERA 2/98 Coupe manual US WP0AA299XXS620688 black/black
Y2KARRERA 1/98 Coupe manual US WP0AA2990XS620232 Arctic silver/black
MBH911 998 coupe manual US WPOAA2996XS623749
MBH911 5/98 coupe manual US WPOAA2996XS622745 Arctic Silver / black C02,234,408,490,938,983,592
jobyt: 02/98 Coupé manual US WP0AA2993XS620662 Arctic Silver/Black 220/222/224 424/446/490/688
Sam-Son 2/98 Coupe manual black/black XS620530 LSD
stevensctt 07/98 Cabriolet manual, US WP0CA2992XS651636 L555 BL C02, 234, 408, 424, 437, 438, 448, 490, 537, 551, 659, 880, 888, 892, 939, 981, 982
168glhs1986: 03/98 coupe manual US Glacier White / Black: Partial Leather, WP0AA2991XS621230
wisco3/98 3/98 coupe manual ocean US blue/savannah beige WP0AA2990XS620926 408
TIEVOMMM 6/98 coupe manual US glacier white/space grey supple leather XAA
bdronsick 07/98 coupe manual US WP0AA2993XS623514 vesuvio/black 408, 09991

Porschetech3

Looks like 95% of those posting in that thread have moved on...."Changing of the Guard" ???

islaTurbine

Interesting. Are there any others documented as “out of order” besides this one (from 8 years ago)? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I’ve seen Porsche mess up options stickers, CoA’s, PPS’s, etc. As I’ve said before, they were (are?) a mom and pop operation and mid-year production changes in the past seemed to be common. Drawing a line in the sand on certain aspects is nearly impossible. I guess I’m extremely skeptical of some of the info herein without more substantiation.

But this is the internet, right? Where facts are free and we are free of facts.

bdronsick

The line was drawn by Porsche with the amber lenses. We’re just observing and commenting on it

bdronsick

That thread was ten years ago, when 996 had bottomed out in the teens, like SC & 964 had before it

996 “collecting” is diff’rent strokes for different folks these days

islaTurbine

So says you. But you/we still don’t affirmatively know where that “amber line” was drawn. We have a poster above who has a higher VIN than I, the same build date, and supposed original ambers. And you have my car who’s factory equipment for ambers/clears is unknown, but with a lower VIN and identical build date. To prove your theory, you point to an old post showcasing a possible example of one.

So I say let’s all stop with the fangirling and hyperbole and simply show the facts/details as we know them. Maybe someday the big picture will reveal itself. Maybe not. Maybe you’ll be prescient beyond doubt. Maybe not.

#offsoapbox

bdronsick

We see no 996 builds prior to 11/97, nor any 996 builds through 08/98 with original clear lenses. The factory where 993 & 996 were temporarily assembled together was then shut down month of 09/98 for yearly holiday. And then we see no 993 build dates after 08/98, and we see no original amber lenses 996 build dates after 08/98 (except one anecdotal reference by a non-original owner with no proof; which we have provisionally placed on the registry as indeterminate)

One cannot go back in time, but where there has been a fairly definitive collection of “fossils”, and their placement in chronological order, one can certainly operate based upon reasonable assumptions as a practical matter. Scientists do this, and really not much more

You are of course free to start a new “Ambers” poll and start over again. But a quick history search will reveal myriad examples of both lenses types, and all pointing to the conclusions above; and again I will be the first respondent 🤑

islaTurbine

Unfortunately I don’t see where that car is listed as “provisional” or “indeterminate.” If you want this list to withstand scrutiny and to be a reliable reference document, then I would think that you would want to clean up that small part. If you don’t care about it standing the test of time, then what’s the point?…selfish market bumps?

Fwiw, I think the 996 world would do well to have a steward like Jeff Coe (of 968 fame) or Rob/Jim/Roger/etc (of 928 fame).