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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian996
The whole reason I am persuing this is is it has proven over time to be a good.
Why would they change it?
Seems like a dumb move by Porsche!
I'm not sure what that means. I'd suggest STFU and enjoy your car. This incessant attempt to justify your position is getting old.

Originally Posted by NuttyProfessor
They should have stuck with the proven plain bearing design in the Mezgers and all the air cooled predecessors. If you want to have better understanding of why the bearing was changed, you should watch the IMS videos from PCA on YouTube.
But this would require actual research.
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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Scott at Team Harco
I'm not sure what that means. I'd suggest STFU and enjoy your car. This incessant attempt to justify your position is getting old.



But this would require actual research.
Silver platter service to justify not spending money on preventative maintenance is so much easier than doing actual homework. Then he can afford more mods, spray paint, crayons and stickers to make his 99 even kewler!
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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 12:35 PM
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My '99 is so bullet-proof, I keep dozens of five hundred dollar bills rolled up inside the intermediate shaft.
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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott at Team Harco
It seems he is trying to convince himself his car is special, and therefore not subject to the many known weaknesses of these engines.
May he enjoy his bliss (ignorance) as long as possible...
C’mon man that’s not it at all. I’m concerned about my engine just like everyone else. Why can we just keep it cool. Of course I am hoping my engine doesnt break. But I admit right now it very well may.
I will look up my engine number today after
work. I’ll put it up here.
Where is it? I’ll do some google research as well.
right now he right great that’s all I can tell you.
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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 12:49 PM
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"He right great"
What the heck does that even mean?
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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 01:26 PM
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Maybe "she runs great" was his intention? Posts look they typed on a small phone with fat fingers.
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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 01:32 PM
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Engine number is on the drivers side right next to the oil sump plate


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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by billh1963
yep....I’ll never understand the hysteria over the M96 engine.

Every Porsche made after the onset of emissions control (I can’t speak to the early cars...never owned one) has had problems. People brag about the superiority of air cooled 911’s. Bull crap. I’ve owned over 10 in the last 20 years (and still own one now). Most air cooled 911’s need head work by 100k miles. Not long after that, many need full rebuilds. Ever priced an air cooled rebuild?

Does the M96/97 engine design problems? Damn right it does. However, after 20+ years these problems are known and ways to identify and proactively mitigate or even fix them are known. If you want to buy a 996/997 it’s no different than buying any other car...research the potential problems, have a good PPI and look for a good one. There is always a chance you’ll buy a bad one. But, we usually don’t hear from those who buy a good one. We hear from those who have a failure or get a “bargain” that turns out to not be such a bargain after all.

Yeah, not sure why air-cooled comes out as superior or more desirable. They need head work and rebuilds as scheduled maintenance items. Not saying they aren't good cars, I've gotten to drive a few detailing clients of mine but they aren't bulletproof. I look at it like your car may be in good shape but plan for worst-case scenario.
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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by twitchett
Maybe "she runs great" was his intention? Posts look they typed on a small phone with fat fingers.
Dude can't even take the time to "proof read"...
Just kidding, I'm bad too!
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Old Jan 8, 2020 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by NuttyProfessor
Jake Raby says the earliest '99 represent some of the best 996 cars built. Apparently there was a factory fire that ushered it lesser quality engines after this point. Seems like I remember there being a cut off on the serial numbers if you care to do a little research on the topic.

Jake told me this story in 102 hands-on class and I took notes. I just looked back to see what I wrote. He told me that it's year 2000 cars to look out for, due to the fire. He said the telltale is a blue stripe on the engine block. The issue was Porsche had to go back and use engine blocks that had previously failed quality control - and they tried to fix them. The blue stripe is the old indicator that it had failed quality control. This is why those engines had unique issues to other M96's.


Also in my notes - if you guys think this is interesting - he told me if you see a magenta stripe on a M97 it means it's a rare M97 with a Mk2 M96 IMSB, not the larger M97 IMSB.
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Old Jan 9, 2020 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian996
Why would they change it?
Seems like a dumb move by Porsche!
The reason: innovation
The casualty: mistakes

Using a yin and yang example:

Yin is stable, consistent, rule-abiding production of all the traits that make a 911 so great, unchanged, and if followed forever, would result in a disastrous car that is ‘perfect’ for what it is, that a select few people would buy, but terrible by modern standard, resulting in Porsche going out of business. That’s a run-on sentence. So is the next one.

Yang is ever-changing, adopting new techniques, experimentation, pushing the envelop, adhering to new regulations, changing 80% of the parts every new generation, failing, making mistakes, fixing those mistakes the following year, making the car faster, stronger, better, more technologically advanced, safer, shaving weight because it’s too heavy now, cutting some corners because it costs too damn much now, and then trying to sell it to more and more people to make a profit based on the Yin reputation from prior.

Do either one to extreme and you die. Get the balance between the two wrong, and you might just barely survive. Strike a great balance between the two, and you excel. And it’s really, really hard.
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Old Jan 9, 2020 | 01:08 PM
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I have a MY'99 that had at least 1 engine failure prior to my ownership. Upon my purchase it had 2 LNE IMSB Retrofit stickers in the doorjamb area (drivers side). My initial thought was "oh cool, the IMSB has been replaced twice" - it was a relatively high mileage car, so it seemed to make sense. Upon further resar.ch I found that the car has a replacement engine in it - an M96-04xxxxxx. Meaning that at least the original engine blew up - not sure why, but the fact that it had 2 LNE Retrofit stickers leads me to the following scenario: Original engine IMSB failure (perhaps stage 3 or 4) but not total engine destruction. Unscrupulous shop replaced bearing without pre-qualifying the engine (first IMSR sticker), and the engine self destructed sometime later. The previous owner then sourced a "used" engine (perhaps through the shop that did the previous work) and had them replace the IMSB before installing the engine (just to be safe). After driving the car for 10k mi. or so, I got a CEL and it turned out that the cam deviations were out of spec. I decided to do a bunch of work myself which included engine/tranny out - cam chains, tensioner pads, water pump, clutch, oil pump key, AOS, IMS Solution, etc. Overall, everything went well (besides overdoing the cam cover sealant a bit and having to re-do it). Unfortunately, after driving it for around a year and a half (about 10k miles) the slight ticking that it had always displayed when hot started to get worse. By this point, almost 4 years into ownership (and fearing what I now know) it became pretty clear I was developing a bore scoring issue. After all the work I had done (and the $ I had spent) in addition to my love for the car I decided that a FSI rebuild was in order. I couldn't be happier with the FSI engine. My point is, while the '99 my be a "great year" and generally better than some others, it's no "magic bullet". Do your diligence, and live with the outcome - it's a 20 year old car & there are no guarantees. Good luck
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Old Jan 10, 2020 | 12:19 AM
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I bought a low mile '99 C2 Cabriolet just off lease. A couple of years later I had a catastrophic motor failure. It was the intermix issue, motor oil and coolant mix from a cracked cylinder head. This was somewhat of a common problem then and it happened to me. I worked hard with my local P dealer who I got to go to bat for me and ended up with a new factory reman motor goodwilled at no cost. I did pay for the R&R labor and fluids. Even though I do all my own work we bought a Boxster from the same dealership and I know several people that work there.
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Old Jan 10, 2020 | 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by NuttyProfessor
They should have stuck with the proven plan bearing design in the Mezgers and all the air cooled predecessors. If you want to have better understanding of why the bearing was changed, you should watch the IMS videos from PCA on YouTube.
That is offered in 996. Its called GT3 and Turbo.
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Old Jan 10, 2020 | 08:05 AM
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Downside with the 1999 is that:
- coolant expansion tank cost $600
- Chain guides are a PITA to replace (IMS guides requies splitting the engine, thousands of $$$)

Good thing with 1999:
- From what I recall less chance of D-chunk
- IMSB is apparently more robust
- No can bus so LS swap is easier

After reading 100000 posts about this it seems like frequent oil changes is the #1 factor of engine life (somehow this affect chain guide as well). And don't put on slicks and try to reach 2g for extended period of time with stock oil cooling system.
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