jon@ebsracing.com

Hello Bill, agreed. See my side below.
Thanks
Jon
EBS Racing

jon@ebsracing.com

Jon from EBS Racing here. Sorry for the delay in getting back. I've just returned from a week in Las Vegas at the SEMA show. I'll get that parts list posted as soon as I get back to the office.

Thanks
Jon

Porschetech3

This thread seems to be back on track now after a brief de-rail. 1 quick lesson learned, be aware of scammers, they are everywhere. just last month a had my credit card hit for $1400 in unauthorized charges, luckily my fraud protection caught it and stopped payment, but I had to be issued a new card which caused a few problems with automatic payment through the card. But all was handled and all good now.

Hopefully Jon will post up his list of prices. If anyone sees some great discounts on basic essential engine rebuild parts please let us know..

808Bill

It happens so often that B of A has blocked some of my legitimate purchases...

AnthonyGS

I just wanna say thanks to porschetech, Jon, Charles and Jake for helping make this thread invaluable. I also think it should become a sticky. At some point all of us who stick with the 986 and 996 platforms will probably need or desire a rebuild. I love both mine; a 986S and 996 C2. Getting rid of them isn’t something I’d do. Knowing what my real choices are and who to contact are invaluable.

As a disclaimer, I’ve been to Jake’s class, bought things from Charles and Jon (via Charles). I’d be happy to meet porschetech too if I had that opportunity.

Byprodriver

That was round trip from So.CA to Illinois UPS ground in 2010 + cost of packaging.

Looneybin

tagging this thread for the future motor refresh

jon@ebsracing.com

Jon from EBS Racing here. We've had lots of interest in our engine rebuild kits. If you would like a parts/price list please send me an email jon@ebsracing.com.
Let me know the details of your project and we will customize a rebuild kit specifically for you. Below is a list of the rebuilds that we have done in house and that we have assembled rebuild kits for those DYI customers. We have just finished our Project 996 3.4-3.9 rebuild with great results. Just need to do a bit of ECU tuning then off to the dyno. We can also help with any machine shop services that you might need. valves jobs, engine case repair, Nickasil plating, etc.

986 3.2

986 3.4

987 3.4-3.6

987S 3.4

996 3.4

996 3.4-3.8

996 3.6

996 3.6 X51

996 3.6-4.0

996 GT2

997 3.6

997 3.8-4.0

997S 3.8

Cayman 3.4

Cayman S 3.4

marlinspike

How does the more frequent changes idea comport with https://www.sae.org/publications/tec...2007-01-4133/?

Porschetech3

Hi jimham968 , Sorry I forgot to answer your question. Yes, you can use the 997S 3.8 Factory short block with the 3.6 heads for a bump in displacement, but it will not be economical.

The M97/01 3.8 Factory shortblock costs 20k !! The 3.4 and the 3.6 Shortblocks have not had the massive price increases that the other Porsche parts have seen in the last 20 years.

Since this thread is for replacement engine solutions under 10k, the M97/01 3.8 Factory shortblock does not qualify....

Porschetech3

Nickies DIY for M96/03 2002-2004

Nickies for 3.6 3.8 4.0 from LN $4995.00 (includes pistons, pins, rings, clips)
100904202 - O.E.M. M96.03 SET complete gasket set / bolts ect from Pelican Parts $660.75
Part# 000-043-204-35-M258 Loctite 5900 from Pelican parts $14.00

Part#996-101-209-04-m100 main bearing from Pelican parts $34.00 X 14
Part#996-103-121-62-m100 rod bearing from Pelican parts $6.25 X 12
Part#996-105-152-01-m48 timing chain long from Pelican parts $54.50 X 2
Part#996-105-171-58-m100 IMS timing chain from Pelican parts $156.00
Part#996-105-156-00-m100 chain guide 1-3 from Pelican parts $39.25
Part# 996-105-054-01-m100 chain rail 1-3 from Pelican parts $62.25
Part#996-105-158-01-m100 chain guide 4-6 from Pelican parts $37.30
Part#996-105-164-00-m100 chain rail 4-6 from Pelican parts $33.25
Part#996-105-168-04-m100 chain rail guide from Pelican parts $35.50 X 2
Part#996-105-165-55-m100 IMS guide paddle from Pelican parts $38.25
Part#996-105-166-51-m100 IMS guide rail from Pelican parts $46.25
Part#0PB-105-638-m100 thrust bearing from Pelican parts $19.50 X 2
Part# 900-041-004-01-OEM clip for IMS paddle from Pelican parts $1.00
Part#996-101-115-62-m100 carrier bolts from Pelican parts $6.25 X14
Part#10-0124-225-m3020 LN/RND IMS bearing from Pelican parts $778.25
Kit #: 204-6301 rod bolts from ARP $222.69
$7941.74 parts
$500.00 head service (ask about valve seats)
Total $8441.74 + your labor

add $350 for oversize head gaskets for 3.8 99mm or 4.0 101mm from LN Engineering

Note : many parts here are Genuine Porsche that could be sourced elsewhere for less (EBS??). but since EBS website is not as user friendly for parts lookup I used Pelican for a reference.

Charles Navarro

I read a similar paper published many years earlier that described the same phenomenon. The short answer is that the oil additives react with combustion byproducts, pressure, temperature, etc. and decompose, reacting with each other, forming new substances that perform better than the original additives. Many don't know, but there are many types of anti-wear additives, even multiple ZDDPs, all of which react differently. Some form films slower, some faster. Same goes with moly and other zinc replacements. The formulation of the oil greatly affects all of this, so the tests carried out using ILSAC starburst oils (energy conserving) in relatively low performance engines doesn't necessarily apply to ours.

stasha

Ditto, and subscribed.

bazhart

If you would like to consider an alternative to those listed you can obtain full details of our own rebuilds on www.hartech.org, or detailed reports of our oversized engines and/or the main problems and solutions that afflict this model range from admin@hartech.org

Just a warning - our detailed technical stuff is lengthy and high level - will not suit technophobes.

Baz

Porschetech3

Hi bazhart , Thankx for contributing to the under 10k M96 Replacement engine thread. I have a copy of your technical paper on the main causes of failure on the M96. I very much enjoyed reading it and appreciate the time you have spent in preparing such a detailed study.

I very much like your cylinder support ring process, and your new closed deck cylinders. I think anyone over there in the UK could use your services and come in under the 10k limit for an engine rebuild. Your prices are very reasonable. I do wish you were over here in the US..lol . I know you have an affiliate in Canada (Alpine), but there website really doesn't have much in terms of information for me to gather.