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Old 07-16-2019 | 12:08 AM
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Backstory

If all you care about is my driving impressions, skip to the bottom.

I have been looking to refresh my suspension for a couple of years, but the big hurdle was always ride height. I needed something near stock, which on a Canadian C4S, should have been 158mm front, 163mm rear. Of course, after 17 years and nearly 145,000 km, it was actually a little lower, at 150mm front and rear.

Along came "Raceworks", claiming their coilovers could be set to "stock" ride height. I enjoy a good deal and I like to support startups, so I dove in. Here is my review.

Ordering was easy, and they were very accommodating with special requests. First trouble came before I even installed. I ordered the rear shocks with a rubber top mount, as I was worried about Noise Vibration and Harshness (NVH). They arrived with their standard monoball. I have exchanged several emails with them, and they professed to be working on shipping me the proper top mounts. However, after waiting 8 weeks, I gave up on ever seeing the top mounts as promised.

Install

I installed the front first. There is no way that these would ever get to 158mm ride height. The best I could get out of them was 140mm. I settled at 128mm, which is the X73 height for this car (so is that stock height?) Also, one bolt was 1mm out of alignment and I had to file the mounting hole slightly, but I got it in there.


One bolt out of spec.

The front drop links are adjustable, and it was easy to get the sway bars neutral when the car was on the ground. The hardware was good, and easy to adjust. The front shocks came with camber plates.


Adjustable drop links

The rear install wasn't without hassle either. The rear shocks seemed long enough to get to "stock" height, but I set them to 133mm to match the X73 height for the car. All was good with the rear install, up to the drop links.

The shock has a "collar" onto which the drop links should be installed. It is adjustable in height, but there is no indication as to what height. Once the shocks are on the car, turning this collar interferes with other suspension components, so I left it. It has two pinch bolts which have to be very tight to keep this collar from rotating as you are driving. Butting it up onto one of the other collars would only work on one side, on the other side, the force would lust loosen it anyways.


How tight should these be? The manual was silent.

Worse, the rear drop links, although adjustable, weren't reverse threaded on one side. What this meant was you couldn't turn the barrel to change the length. Instead you had to install the rear drop links with the tires on the ground so that the sway bar isn't loaded. What a hassle.

It took me a couple of test drives to get the pre-load right. The manual indicates 10mm of pre-load, but I found the car more planted at 12mm.

Once I had the pre-load done, I set the final ride height. I made sure I had factory pressure in the tires, and made a tool to measure from the ground to the measuring points. I checked the fenders to make sure I was even side-to-side.


Tools of the trade.

See this post for how to measure: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...de-height.html

Post-Install Alignment

I had all of this professionally aligned to my specs:

Front
Camber L/R....-0.7/-0.7


Caster L/R...+8.0/+8.0


Toe L/R...+0.05/+0.05


Total toe front...+0.10


Steer Ahead...0.00


Rear
Camber L/R....-1.6/-1.6


Toe...+0.10/+0.10


Total toe...+0.20


Thrust angle...0.00


Impressions



I love them. No really, it is like having a different car. if there is more NVH I can't tell, and bumps on the highway that I would avoid because it would unsettle the car are now not an issue. Small bump compliance is great for a sports car. There is no crashyness (TM) or harshness. There is no clunking or other strange noises (but I did make sure to tighten everything that came from the factory). The valving seems spot on. I have the dampers set to 4 clicks from full soft. The springs are standard Front Spring 400lb, Rear Spring 600lb. My understanding is that stock was 180lb front, 320lb rear.

I wish they could get their customer service down. These could be a great entry level option, but I can't recommend buying them. I have told them they have burned through the goodwill they created on this forum. They certainly have with me. Although they have a 3 year warranty, I wouldn't count on any support.



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Old 07-16-2019 | 12:14 AM
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Love my Bilstein PSS10s, perfect fitment, no issues.
Old 07-16-2019 | 01:11 AM
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Thus the reason I'm going a different route. I would have love to have helped a young company but this and another bad Customer Service story ruined it for me parting from my hard earned cash.
Old 07-16-2019 | 10:59 AM
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sorry, when you have positive toe, are we talking toe in or toe out. If toe out, I'd reconsider that.
Old 07-16-2019 | 02:27 PM
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Thanks for posting your review! Well said.

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Old 07-16-2019 | 02:35 PM
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If you're looking for decent quality entry-level coil overs, Feal and BC Racing are tried and true.

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Old 07-16-2019 | 02:42 PM
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Old 07-16-2019 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer
sorry, when you have positive toe, are we talking toe in or toe out. If toe out, I'd reconsider that.
Those are toe in numbers, and are 996 stock spec.
Old 07-16-2019 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 808Bill
I'm going with Feal in a couple of weeks.
Let us know how that goes.

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I've been very pleased with my feal coilovers on my 986 boxster. comfy on street at 10 clicks, good on track at mostly full stiff. Could have gone higher on spring rate.
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QUOTE=Quadcammer;15978961]I've been very pleased with my feal coilovers on my 986 boxster. comfy on street at 10 clicks, good on track at mostly full stiff. Could have gone higher on spring rate.[/QUOTE]
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Old 07-17-2019 | 02:56 PM
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Old 07-17-2019 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 808Bill
Also, is a radial bearing of any benefit with our cars?
https://fealsuspensionstore.com/radi...ing-seat-pair/
I would prefer to keep this thread about how bad the customer service from Raceworks was.

Plus, I think you want the camber plates.
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Went to the website and got this SPAM warning. I am going to sound like snob, but I really don't think any of the low to mid grade parts are worth buying for a 911 of any year. There is no bad deprecated 911 in the last 50 years so these cars deserve the best parts imho.
Its not like a 2016 Audi S5 that is going to be 10k less in 3 years. I get it for most cars. I just figure it is better to buy parts that are top quality and can last long durations. 911's especially ones owned by members of this will be kept and maintained for probably decades.Why cheap out on them and have install issues or inferior stuff?

Benjamin Franklin: "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
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Originally Posted by strathconaman
I would prefer to keep this thread about how bad the customer service from Raceworks was.

Plus, I think you want the camber plates.
Sorry about that. I've deleted my post.


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