Real 1996 TT ?????
07-20-2003, 02:48 PM
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Real 1996 TT ?????
Hi,
Yestreday I test drove a said to be 1996 TT.
However, it lacked red brake calipers (they were big but black with the Porsche logo).
And as well it lacked the sports seat style seats.
Everything else looked like the real deal.
Also, the vin was a WPOAC2991TS instead of the usual WPOAC2994TS,
what am I mising ???
Many thanks
Patrick
Yestreday I test drove a said to be 1996 TT.
However, it lacked red brake calipers (they were big but black with the Porsche logo).
And as well it lacked the sports seat style seats.
Everything else looked like the real deal.
Also, the vin was a WPOAC2991TS instead of the usual WPOAC2994TS,
what am I mising ???
Many thanks
Patrick
07-20-2003, 02:52 PM
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Porsche would deliver the calipers in any color chosen by the customer, and sport seats are a fairly rare, but highly desired (by me) option. Don't know the VIN stuff.
07-20-2003, 04:49 PM
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Re: Real 1996 TT ?????
Originally posted by Cab964-Pat
Also, the vin was a WPOAC2991TS instead of the usual WPOAC2994TS,
what am I mising ?
Also, the vin was a WPOAC2991TS instead of the usual WPOAC2994TS,
what am I mising ?
07-21-2003, 02:50 AM
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Hi,
Yes the vin is WPOAC2991TS37----
Its beautiful but lacks as I noted big reds and for all the options it has on it it oddly lacks as I noted the sport seats. THe clutch pedal feel is soft and it doesn't switch until the clutch pedal is just about at the end of its travel, the sales guy even stalled the engine trying to reverse. The AC is putting out a wimper of cold air and the driver power seat forward motor is broke. One small "keying" damage on the runner just below the driver door and the rear speaker trim area near the rear wiper has lifted up, and the brakes feel not to bite as they should but it does does stop. On the plus side its the best ride in a 993 I've ever had, in 3rd gear I was at scary speeds in a hurry and it was dead straight. Not loud at all and that surprised me. Also, no front bumper parking scars under the front lip. However, at cold start it spits a little and after awhile that disappears. Is that normal ? No oil smells and no oil wetness under the various areas of the car. 73k miles history not that great, $59k asking.
I'll look at it again today. But why is the vin so diffenert from the rest of the '96 TTs I see ?
They are usually WPO2994TS37---- and this one is a VIN WPOAC2991TS37----
Many thanks,
Patrick
Yes the vin is WPOAC2991TS37----
Its beautiful but lacks as I noted big reds and for all the options it has on it it oddly lacks as I noted the sport seats. THe clutch pedal feel is soft and it doesn't switch until the clutch pedal is just about at the end of its travel, the sales guy even stalled the engine trying to reverse. The AC is putting out a wimper of cold air and the driver power seat forward motor is broke. One small "keying" damage on the runner just below the driver door and the rear speaker trim area near the rear wiper has lifted up, and the brakes feel not to bite as they should but it does does stop. On the plus side its the best ride in a 993 I've ever had, in 3rd gear I was at scary speeds in a hurry and it was dead straight. Not loud at all and that surprised me. Also, no front bumper parking scars under the front lip. However, at cold start it spits a little and after awhile that disappears. Is that normal ? No oil smells and no oil wetness under the various areas of the car. 73k miles history not that great, $59k asking.
I'll look at it again today. But why is the vin so diffenert from the rest of the '96 TTs I see ?
They are usually WPO2994TS37---- and this one is a VIN WPOAC2991TS37----
Many thanks,
Patrick
07-21-2003, 06:36 AM
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Extract of text posted by Cab964-Pat:-
>>I'll look at it again today. But why is the vin so diffenert from the rest of the '96 TTs I see ? They are usually WPO2994TS37---- and this one is a VIN WPOAC2991TS37---- <<<
Patrick, From what I recall, I do not think that the digit in question has to be 4 for the car to be a US spec. 993TT. The "37" is what is more important as mentioned by Viken. Best of luck.
>>I'll look at it again today. But why is the vin so diffenert from the rest of the '96 TTs I see ? They are usually WPO2994TS37---- and this one is a VIN WPOAC2991TS37---- <<<
Patrick, From what I recall, I do not think that the digit in question has to be 4 for the car to be a US spec. 993TT. The "37" is what is more important as mentioned by Viken. Best of luck.
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You should all know how to tell if it's a turbo-do you get a kick up the bum at about 4000rpm? 
Also I would try and negotiate that price down a bit, it'll need a rebuild quite soon and without full history.....
Also I would try and negotiate that price down a bit, it'll need a rebuild quite soon and without full history.....
07-21-2003, 08:43 AM
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AFAIK a VIN that begins with "WPOAC..." is not a Porsche 993 VIN. I thought that in addition to the "37" digits, VINs for North American 993 Turbos started with "WPOZZ..." or WPOAA". "WPOCA..." is for 993 Carreras and "WPOAC..." is for 964 Turbos.
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Originally posted by David in LA
AFAIK a VIN that begins with "WPOAC..." is not a Porsche 993 VIN. I thought that in addition to the "37" digits, VINs for North American 993 Turbos started with "WPOZZ..." or WPOAA". "WPOCA..." is for 993 Carreras and "WPOAC..." is for 964 Turbos.
AFAIK a VIN that begins with "WPOAC..." is not a Porsche 993 VIN. I thought that in addition to the "37" digits, VINs for North American 993 Turbos started with "WPOZZ..." or WPOAA". "WPOCA..." is for 993 Carreras and "WPOAC..." is for 964 Turbos.
07-21-2003, 11:59 AM
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Hi al,
I just offered the guy 52$k "as is" as the ac is a wimper of cold air, the clutch feels like its on its last 1k miles, the driver power seat electrics are bad, a key damage to lower left rocker panel and the calipers are 993 black style versus big reds. Also, the engine wiring hasn't yet been done (the wiring recall) and the rear leather area where the rear wiper enters the window area has untidy problems and the seats are boring non-sports seats. He is asking $59k and its been for sale for 2 weeks. 3 owners.
He will get back to me later, I'll let you know..
many thanks, Patrick
I just offered the guy 52$k "as is" as the ac is a wimper of cold air, the clutch feels like its on its last 1k miles, the driver power seat electrics are bad, a key damage to lower left rocker panel and the calipers are 993 black style versus big reds. Also, the engine wiring hasn't yet been done (the wiring recall) and the rear leather area where the rear wiper enters the window area has untidy problems and the seats are boring non-sports seats. He is asking $59k and its been for sale for 2 weeks. 3 owners.
He will get back to me later, I'll let you know..
many thanks, Patrick
07-21-2003, 12:16 PM
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Patrick - as you have now said twice that it does not have "big reds" let me reiterate what was said above - you could custom order the brake calipers in any color. Of course that added money to the cost of the car. My 993TT has polar silver calipers that match the color of my car. I actually prefer this look as I find the red calipers to be a bit showy (as indicated by the fact that the import car crowd has copied this to the nth degree). So "big reds" do not have to be red to be the real deal 993TT turbo brakes. Also, on the AC, I would suspect it just needs to be charged as 993 AC systems are pretty solid. You may want to have that taken care of prior to the sale in case the AC system has more problems than just a low charge.
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Why on earth would you make an offer on this car when there are obvious things wrong with it? Additionally, until you have a good mechanic look at it, you have no idea what else might be wrong with it. This is taking a BIG chance.
Get it checked out before you buy this TT.
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Get it checked out before you buy this TT.
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07-22-2003, 11:26 PM
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It's a Porsche dealer sale and so far I have convinced them to replace the wiring harness at no cost to me and to fix the AC to my satisfaction and to acknowledge that the clutch is on its last "leg" but they won't replace it and to agree not to agree that the disk brakes are rather worn and they are not very happy with my offer of "$52k" they claim they need a "little" bump up in price and they don't know it yet but "$52k" is my max offer as it's got 73k miles and a near burnt clutch.
I should know more Thursday but if they refuse my offer they will take it to the "Manhiem" dealer only auction in Pennsy.
No service history and they expect top dollar...oh..and the driver side power seat is broke.
Patrick
I should know more Thursday but if they refuse my offer they will take it to the "Manhiem" dealer only auction in Pennsy.
No service history and they expect top dollar...oh..and the driver side power seat is broke.
Patrick
07-23-2003, 05:22 AM
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Patrick,
The wiring harness is a factory recall... it is being replaced on all affected 993s by the factory at no charge to the dealer or owner. They are not doing you any favor on this one. The A/C will probably get a recharge which may or may not be a permanent cure for the problem. It sounds like you will get nothing for the clutch and brakes. Will they fix the power seat?
You offer is fair after you get a PPI from an independent shop, and the car is cleared of serious defects, both mechanical and body work. Else its just a pig in a poke, whatever that means.
The wiring harness is a factory recall... it is being replaced on all affected 993s by the factory at no charge to the dealer or owner. They are not doing you any favor on this one. The A/C will probably get a recharge which may or may not be a permanent cure for the problem. It sounds like you will get nothing for the clutch and brakes. Will they fix the power seat?
You offer is fair after you get a PPI from an independent shop, and the car is cleared of serious defects, both mechanical and body work. Else its just a pig in a poke, whatever that means.
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I agree with you (I think thats a Brit saying ?).
I looked on Ebay and there are two '96 TTs with lower miles and I might go that route. I expect to pay $52-$55 but for lower miles that the above discussed hi miles 73k example maybe Ebay is the way to go.
BTW:. The 73k mile TT is a consignment at the dealer.
Take care,
Patrick
PS: I currently own a 964 Cab C4, have owned two '95 993 C2 cabs in the past. However, my first ever test drive of a 993 TT was last week and the sensation was such that I can't go on without a 993 TT.
I looked on Ebay and there are two '96 TTs with lower miles and I might go that route. I expect to pay $52-$55 but for lower miles that the above discussed hi miles 73k example maybe Ebay is the way to go.
BTW:. The 73k mile TT is a consignment at the dealer.
Take care,
Patrick
PS: I currently own a 964 Cab C4, have owned two '95 993 C2 cabs in the past. However, my first ever test drive of a 993 TT was last week and the sensation was such that I can't go on without a 993 TT.