As per Bill's post #83 do show K16 based hybrids.

 

With which turbos?

 

First of all wow, give it a couple of days and there's another page added to the discussion, is this place great or what?


Steve, you are right. CTR-2 bumpers are no longer available outright from RUF. I know of an original rear bumper cover but I need the front (perhaps more than the rear). I was referring to "Bradford" earlier in this thread and my understanding is (eventhough it was never written in print) that he stopped making them because of copyright issues.. I might be wrong though (I sure hope so). Before pulling a leg or "twisting an arm" as you call it, I want to make sure I have done all I can to locate a bumper elsewhere. If it's my last option I will do it, but I'd prefer to leave an RLer unharmed . Besides, since the TurboR upgrade is a bit over my intended budget, ut will be putting all other upgrades off for the time being. Next winter..

I also have the NB OEM big ovals which extend about an inch further than the OEM TT big ovals, so they might come in handy..

Patrick, wonderful car you have there buddy. I'm sure I'll be more than happy with the power delivery of the TurboR. Are you looking to add the RUF bumpers somewhere down the line?

Toby it's an interesting question you are bringing to the table. However, haven thought this over once and twice and thrice, my conclusion is that this will not be a track car but rather a weekend toy seeing occational track use. With that in mind it will never be a monster and therefore I think all-in-all, the very driveable TurboR upgrade is my best bet at this point. It's pricey but it comes with a warranty, my engine gets a serious overhaul and I will have resale value to boot. Had I opted for a track car, I would have gone the RS-Tuning/Kevin special turbos/Martyn route no doubt.

Eventhough not mentioned thoroughly in this thread, one another option from the beginning was to have the tuning done by Harry Weishaupt of SHK-racetec. They have done some pretty impressive builds in the past with decent value, to my knowledge. Unfortunately, Mr.Weishaupt passed away earlier this year in a fatal front collision with his smart car on autobahn. It also turns out one of my friends in the porsche community has great connections with Mr.Schmirler of RS-tuning so that would have been a good opportunity as well.

My understanding is that RUF provides a dyno sheet upon collection day with each TurboR conversion, so that will be very interesting to see . It would be very good to know whether the development of the turboR kit stopped in 1997 period, or if they have done anything to improve on the kit since. After all, with the advancement in technology we are seeing today, 12years is a loong time.


Very true LAT. I have the utmost respect for Toby and I understand that he knows pretty much all you need to know as far as tweaking 993TTs. Great asset to have here on RL and a great contributor to this thread as well. Just want to once again thank a few listers for providing the kind of information and feedback that led up to my decision. Toby, LAT, bb993tt, Kevin, MOD500 and others. I'm sure I forgot someone .

Hopefully this thread will also prove as a guideline for other listers who wants more power to their TTs. Always good to have all the options on the table when facing a decision like this.

 

Kevin, are these wheel horsepower or flywheel horsepower numbers?

 

Vhanzon,

I may add the RUF bumpers some day. Since no on makes them anymore, that is difficult to do. And I am in no hurry as I really like it the way that it is. But never say never...

 

So does anyone know about the FVD Kits? Their stage 3 powerkit is on sale here in the US for $14,000 and includes K24 "race" turbos, sport camshafts, mechanical rocker arm kit, DME. With the use of sport cats they claim 525 hp and 720 nm.

Greg H.

 

My UMW stage 2 on a fresh engine acheived a best 60-130 time of 9.6 seconds running with very low fuel and no passenger seat. Bill S has reported 9.1 from his Ruf-engined car and MOD500 8.7 from his RS Tuning-engined car.

 

Yes, 60 to 130 (GPS on flat surface) is really the only way to compare these cars... too many variables when quoting HP.

 

From memory Felix ran his 60-130 with Euro-Ron 95 which is equal to 91 US Ron+Mon/2
Bill S mentioned that his car always runs 100 Ron+Mon/2.. Martin, MOD500 was running 102 Euro-Ron or greater.. Knock retard will pull out timing in 3 degree increments. Between US 91 and 94 Ron+Mon/2 one can see 6 degrees of timing pulled. When running less than 94 octane you will have LESS than "stock" timing in effect

 

I agree, don't hear much about the FVD kits. A friend had a FVD stage 2 which I thought was significantly faster than my then stock car but have never seen any 'real world' numbers' on those kits. Their stage 4 3.8l is on sale as well (did Jean have one at one point?). Would also be interesting to see what Kevin's stage 3 does.

 

I guess it would also help to have numbers from multiple cars. A bunch of us have these tunes, we should really try to find the time/place/equipment to get more numbers.

 

My runs were with Euro 99 so roughly US 94-95.

 

Based on the data presented in this thread, these seem like very reasonable figures...

With the FVD kits you need to factor in a bunch of things that are not reflected in the end price. Like we said before, it's always a compelte package. With FVD, you pay 20.000usd for the "kit" on their homepage (stage 4 550PS). Then the required catalytic converters are not included. The secondary oil cooler is not included either and the FVD intercooler (mandatory(??)) is also not included in the 20.000usd price. Then if you are going 550PS you need a complete engine overhaul, which is many labour hours. You need to check that the heads are up for the task and most likely you will need new con rods (even with the stage 3 FVD kit). Ok the head thing doesn't apply for stage 4 as you get all the new hardware but you get the point. I have no idea how many labout hours are required to do something like this but it has got to be factured in as well. The effectiveness of the FVD intercooler has been questioned before. It's even doubtful if its any more effective than the stock unit. Going to mechnical rockers means that your engine will be much more track oriented, as the engine needs to be checked frequently (don't recall the mileage intervals). For my application I'd like to stay away from mechnical rockers eventhough the numbers are appealing..

Who develops the FVD kits? Sportec?

+1

 

You are kind of comparing apples to oranges. FVD's stage 4 is a 3.8L conversion for $20,000 US. Their stage 3 is $14,000 and is probably more in line with what has been discussed on this thread - 525hp. Yes, you need their sport cats and their intercooler to make the rated hp. They do not say anything about con rods for the stage 3 kit. Why would you need con rods for the FVD kit when you do not for the same power from RS, CG or Ruf?

I wonder what the real answer is about con rods anyway? Kevin has refused my requests to add a cam to his stage 2 kit because he feels it would need con rods, yet ruf is doing k16s with a cam and no con rods.

Greg H.

 

Man, I must be a Rooky 'cause I find the stock power of my new (to me) 993tt awsome compared to my 260Z and at this point can't imagin modifying it....maybe in time.