993 TT S for sale
05-10-2003, 11:28 PM
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993 TT S for sale
I heard about a 993 TT S, either 97 or 98 for sale. I'm told the car is black on black with 6900 miles, no paint, no stories etc.
The dealer is asking $119K, and I have no idea whether this is a good price or not.
They called me because it was a "special" car, and a compliment to my GT2. If anyone out there is interested send me PM and I will give you the details.
I have no financial interest in this matter.
The dealer is asking $119K, and I have no idea whether this is a good price or not.
They called me because it was a "special" car, and a compliment to my GT2. If anyone out there is interested send me PM and I will give you the details.
I have no financial interest in this matter.
05-10-2003, 11:38 PM
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It's funny that you posted that, Colm, as I was about to make a similar post. An independent dealer, Rockville Motors, about 15 minutes from me, has just listed a 1997 993 Twin Turbo S for sale. Black/Black. It has 24,000 miles and they are asking $128,000. If each car is as clean as advertised, the one near you sounds like a much better deal. I'd looooove an excuse to go check out the car near me and take pictures if anybody wants me to 
<a href="http://www.rockvillemotors.com" target="_blank">www.rockvillemotors.com</a>
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05-11-2003, 01:54 AM
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The S prices are dropping steadily, but still impressive to be still almost at MSRP after six years -- only the humble C2S of the same vintage can stand in that company.
$128K with 24K miles is a joke, even from a dealer.
$119K with 7K miles in black/black is a great asking price.
The new owner should keep in mind that every mile will cost about $5 in depreciation ... but at $119K ... could be a fair deal for such low miles.
Imagine the price of these cars in thirty or forty years.
$128K with 24K miles is a joke, even from a dealer.
$119K with 7K miles in black/black is a great asking price.
The new owner should keep in mind that every mile will cost about $5 in depreciation ... but at $119K ... could be a fair deal for such low miles.
Imagine the price of these cars in thirty or forty years.
05-12-2003, 01:00 AM
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The Black 97 TT "S" caught my eye too today, as it's listed in the Washington Post for $115k instead of the $128k on it's website for Rockville Motors (Rockville MD).
I DEFINITELY want to check that bad boy out, as I've never seen one in person, and this will "get it out of my system!"
A friend wanted to know, what makes an "S" so special, compared to the 993 TT? I've done a search but didn't come up with too much.
Steve
I DEFINITELY want to check that bad boy out, as I've never seen one in person, and this will "get it out of my system!"
A friend wanted to know, what makes an "S" so special, compared to the 993 TT? I've done a search but didn't come up with too much.
Steve
05-12-2003, 01:50 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Steve 96C4S:
<strong>A friend wanted to know, what makes an "S" so special, compared to the 993 TT? I've done a search but didn't come up with too much.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">First, this was a 97 only car, so it has the normal upgrades of a 97 TT over a 96 TT. Second, it has an upgraded ECU ( 424 HP ), aux oil cooler, front chin spoiler, rear quarter panel ducts, modified spoiler, tons of carbon fiber and "turbo s" insignias everywhere.
Probably the most important is the prestiege factor. You can build a 97 TT with mods to easily beat a turbo S for way less than the price premium you are going to pay for the turbo s.
Given the prices now, they are a bargain. I think that they would probably go for the high 90's to low 100's now. My genearl benchmark is that they are about 50% more than a TT. And since TT's are going for 60-80 nowadays....
<strong>A friend wanted to know, what makes an "S" so special, compared to the 993 TT? I've done a search but didn't come up with too much.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">First, this was a 97 only car, so it has the normal upgrades of a 97 TT over a 96 TT. Second, it has an upgraded ECU ( 424 HP ), aux oil cooler, front chin spoiler, rear quarter panel ducts, modified spoiler, tons of carbon fiber and "turbo s" insignias everywhere.
Probably the most important is the prestiege factor. You can build a 97 TT with mods to easily beat a turbo S for way less than the price premium you are going to pay for the turbo s.
Given the prices now, they are a bargain. I think that they would probably go for the high 90's to low 100's now. My genearl benchmark is that they are about 50% more than a TT. And since TT's are going for 60-80 nowadays....
05-12-2003, 01:51 AM
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so special?
yellow bits (caliper paint, seat belts)
carbon stick-on bits (dash, door panels)
cosmetics (nose, air ducts in wheel arches to intercoolers)
swoopy wing
and "S" all over the place
plus a few neddies
When it was first shown as the ultimate 993, I disliked the Turbo S -- it wasn't a significant power-up, simple mods to the Turbo would take it beyond the S and soon enough the 996 Turbo came along with much the same numbers from the engine room. Worse still, the holes in the wheels arches broke up the most sensual lines of the broad hips of the wide body, the yellow was nothing special, they hadn't delivered on better brakes or lighter weight or gone to the point of coil-over suspension or adjustable anti-roll bars -- this was a comfy boulevard cruise. Blecch!
But in recent years, looking past the excessive yellow-ness of it, I appreciate the family resemblance to the 959 and I like the overall "more serious" posture of the design (if you can put the "look at me, I'm so expensive and rare" overtones out of your head) plus there's the potential to redesign the intercooler layout to have a real 959 induction system exploiting those holes...
Also, coincidentally, at the R Gruppe get-together, I had the pleasure of listening to Canepa, at Leguna, as he talked through the latest round of engineering work on his latest 959 while we stood around the ... imagine that level of hardware in a 993 ... holy mackeral ...
yellow bits (caliper paint, seat belts)
carbon stick-on bits (dash, door panels)
cosmetics (nose, air ducts in wheel arches to intercoolers)
swoopy wing
and "S" all over the place
plus a few neddies
When it was first shown as the ultimate 993, I disliked the Turbo S -- it wasn't a significant power-up, simple mods to the Turbo would take it beyond the S and soon enough the 996 Turbo came along with much the same numbers from the engine room. Worse still, the holes in the wheels arches broke up the most sensual lines of the broad hips of the wide body, the yellow was nothing special, they hadn't delivered on better brakes or lighter weight or gone to the point of coil-over suspension or adjustable anti-roll bars -- this was a comfy boulevard cruise. Blecch!
But in recent years, looking past the excessive yellow-ness of it, I appreciate the family resemblance to the 959 and I like the overall "more serious" posture of the design (if you can put the "look at me, I'm so expensive and rare" overtones out of your head) plus there's the potential to redesign the intercooler layout to have a real 959 induction system exploiting those holes...
Also, coincidentally, at the R Gruppe get-together, I had the pleasure of listening to Canepa, at Leguna, as he talked through the latest round of engineering work on his latest 959 while we stood around the ... imagine that level of hardware in a 993 ... holy mackeral ...
05-12-2003, 09:44 PM
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The Turbo "S" also came with more senseless leather. If I am not mistaken, the dial abd switches with covered in leather.
Although I'm not a dealer, I believe the Turbo "S" is stilling selling for a higher premium than it should. I agree with Jeff, if the car was originally sold for almost a 50% premium to a regular Twin Turbo. IMHO, these car should be selling for less of a premium today.
Although I'm not a dealer, I believe the Turbo "S" is stilling selling for a higher premium than it should. I agree with Jeff, if the car was originally sold for almost a 50% premium to a regular Twin Turbo. IMHO, these car should be selling for less of a premium today.
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05-12-2003, 10:05 PM
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I went and drove the '97 Turbo S with my friend and Porsche enthusiast Steve 96C4S today, very cool! This is the first Porsche TT or otherwise I've ever driven. It's pretty fast. They said, (Rockville Motors) they would sell it to me for $110,000, and provide a new set of rear tires, and fix whatever came up from a PPI done at my choice of mechanics. It has only 28,000 miles but it wasn't taken very good care of. I'm going to think about it. It has been suggested that I could save a bundle by just getting a '97 993TT.
05-12-2003, 10:52 PM
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The Turbo "S" was the final and ultimate air-cooled Porsche. And, they are somewhat rare. I believe they built less than 300 of them for the North American market.
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05-13-2003, 12:43 AM
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The car I posted about is a California car, purported to be in cherry condition. I have no reason to disbelieve the source as I am a frequent and "valued" customer.
05-13-2003, 07:32 AM
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My earlier post about the Turbo S reads a little critical of the car (chalk it up to jealousy!) so I'll try to balance out by saying the Turbo and the Turbo S are brilliant cars -- those with the cash to have a Turbo S couldn't get a better car for the money.
In researching it again lately, I'll mention two oddities about the Turbo S: one, the brake duct openings in the front are not actually ducted to the brakes; and two, the duct openings in the rear wheel arches are not ducted to anything -- I always assumed they pushed air across the intercoolers, but no, it's purely cosmetic.
I guess there's an easy kit to hook up the brake cooling at the front.
I wonder if there's a kit to duct the rear openings to the intercoolers?
Bonus trivia: the Turbo has the hydraulic clutch assisted by a secondary mechanism and in the Turbo S, the assist is not connected (so it has the same feel as the normal 993 hydraulic clutch.) Why? Who knows? But the heavier "feel" of the clutch in the Turbo S, like a normal 993 is easier to control.
Anyone else have Turbo S trivia?
In researching it again lately, I'll mention two oddities about the Turbo S: one, the brake duct openings in the front are not actually ducted to the brakes; and two, the duct openings in the rear wheel arches are not ducted to anything -- I always assumed they pushed air across the intercoolers, but no, it's purely cosmetic.
I guess there's an easy kit to hook up the brake cooling at the front.
I wonder if there's a kit to duct the rear openings to the intercoolers?
Bonus trivia: the Turbo has the hydraulic clutch assisted by a secondary mechanism and in the Turbo S, the assist is not connected (so it has the same feel as the normal 993 hydraulic clutch.) Why? Who knows? But the heavier "feel" of the clutch in the Turbo S, like a normal 993 is easier to control.
Anyone else have Turbo S trivia?
05-13-2003, 10:53 AM
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I never post on this forum as I have a C4S but I posted a "mini-review" of our 97 Turbo S test drive yesterday on the regular 993 forum.
To Carrera GT: I didn't sense anything heavier in feel with the Turbo S clutch, in fact, it felt lighter than mine for some reason
. It was a sweet vehicle, it just needs new wheels as the current wheels were ... painted aluminum color and road rashed in spots <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" /> .
I was seduced by the 2001 Arctic/Black sport seated TT on the showroom floor as it was soooo new with 13k miles, and $10k less!, but as a gent on the 993 board pointed out, the Turbo S is the lifetime "keeper".
Steve
To Carrera GT: I didn't sense anything heavier in feel with the Turbo S clutch, in fact, it felt lighter than mine for some reason
. It was a sweet vehicle, it just needs new wheels as the current wheels were ... painted aluminum color and road rashed in spots <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" /> . I was seduced by the 2001 Arctic/Black sport seated TT on the showroom floor as it was soooo new with 13k miles, and $10k less!, but as a gent on the 993 board pointed out, the Turbo S is the lifetime "keeper".
Steve
05-13-2003, 07:36 PM
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I too was under the impression that the duct openings in the rear wheel arches were mere decorations until I walked past a turbo S that was cooling down and felt a hot breeze at both ducts. Evidently, when the cooling blowers kick in after the engine is shut down, the rear wheel arch ducts act as exhaust vents for the blown hot air to escape. Who would have thought?
It also seems that if the ducts are used to exhaust hot air then they could be used to intake cool air - all for cooling purposes. But, alas, I have no proof.
Lance
It also seems that if the ducts are used to exhaust hot air then they could be used to intake cool air - all for cooling purposes. But, alas, I have no proof.
Lance
05-14-2003, 01:14 AM
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While I haven't torn my car apart to prove it, Lance seems right. All of the smells and heat come out of there that you don't smell anywhere but by sticking your head in the engine.
Oh, and if you drill a hole through the main power cable, the smoke from the resulting near fire will also come out of the duct.
And as far as these prices go, it's insane. I didn't pay that big of a premium for mine in 2000. While it may be a sacriledge, I've upgraded my suspension, changed some interior bits and replaced the stereo. In 30 years, when my soon to be born son gets to be my age, he can take it, try making it stock, and see what he can get for a turbo s with about 250K miles on it, or he can just drive the hell out of it.
Oh, and if you drill a hole through the main power cable, the smoke from the resulting near fire will also come out of the duct.
And as far as these prices go, it's insane. I didn't pay that big of a premium for mine in 2000. While it may be a sacriledge, I've upgraded my suspension, changed some interior bits and replaced the stereo. In 30 years, when my soon to be born son gets to be my age, he can take it, try making it stock, and see what he can get for a turbo s with about 250K miles on it, or he can just drive the hell out of it.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by bbeckmann:
<strong>Oh, and if you drill a hole through the main power cable, the smoke from the resulting near fire will also come out of the duct.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">What happened?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by bbeckmann:
<strong>when my soon to be born son gets to be my age</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Sounds like congrats and good luck are in order.
<strong>Oh, and if you drill a hole through the main power cable, the smoke from the resulting near fire will also come out of the duct.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">What happened?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by bbeckmann:
<strong>when my soon to be born son gets to be my age</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Sounds like congrats and good luck are in order.