Railmaster.

62.000 964s Vs 68.000 993s, Sorry but that is not enough to say that FAR fewer 964s where produced! And we are not talking about a bursting bubble!

JDHertz11

I can only post this video but I cannot take credit for it, it's a classic! Just replace the watch brand with the car name and model.

soundbehindyou

Disraeli

I don't understand what bubble has burst or what the point is of any of these metrics.

Whatever the production volume, my car's not currently for sale at any price.

Zeus993

The air-cooled "bubble" reminds me very much of the run up of vintage american made pre-war (WW2) guitars, mandolins and banjos. The Japanese market for these in the 70's became very strong and prices rose. It's very simple economics of supply and demand. And despite Martin and Gibson producing "vintage reissues" to the exact pre-war specs that true vintage market continued to escalate. It's had periods of softening, just like our 993 marketing, to then rally again and head for the stars. Those that waited for the "bubble" to burst lost out. A pre-war Martin D28 in good shape went from $5000 to $250k. And many of the people who have them, like the 993's, are players and love them for all of their vintage goodness. I think vintage Rolex market (like the "Red Sub") is doing the same thing.

So a 993 bubble? A flattening at best. And give it a year of two and off it will go. In the meantime we drive an appreciating asset! What a great thing to own and enjoy!

Zeus993

The air-cooled "bubble" reminds me very much of the run up of vintage american made pre-war (WW2) guitars, mandolins and banjos. The Japanese market for these in the 70's became very strong and prices rose. It's very simple economics of supply and demand. And despite Martin and Gibson producing "vintage reissues" to the exact pre-war specs that true vintage market continued to escalate. It's had periods of softening, just like our 993 market, to then rally again and head for the stars. Those that waited for the "bubble" to burst lost out. A pre-war Martin D28 in good shape went from $5000 to $250k. And many of the people who have them, like the 993's, are players and love them for all of their vintage goodness. I think vintage Rolex market (like the "Red Sub") is doing the same thing.

So a 993 bubble? A flattening at best. And give it a year of two and off it will go. In the meantime we drive an appreciating asset! Whoo hoo! What a great thing to own and enjoy!

goofballdeluxe

The 993 series was actually produced globally for 5 years, from 1994-1998, but hey who's counting

Railmaster.

There is a strong market for 993s in Germany and they START at $60.000 if You want a Stick shift plain Carrera with AC and decent but not low milage. If the bubble (which does not exist) should burst in the USA we will see more cars reimported to Europe and that will higher the prices in USA. (Basic market economy rules).

Mr.Woolery

Moot point for most of us, because we own them to drive them and plan to keep them.

PRSWILL

Not referencing you Railmaster, but the person you're commenting on- Is this the same gal that was yacking it up a couple years ago about her super premium 964 yet couldn't show us a pic? 10 posts and a "user' - seems a bit troll like. not saying 964's haven't held on- maybe a little better than 993's but not by much.
The FACT is, that no more of either of these cars will ever be made and every month there are less and less of them. Not banking my life savings on it, but I'll bet we see both models growing in value over the next 10 years by a wide margin.

Leica 993

The 993 is THE Porsche to own, drive and enjoy.

vincer77

There is no story here. IMHO, the only reason the 964 prices have taken off is that Singer has caused a shortage of cars and the fact that Singer used the 964 as a base for their cars gives it some panache. Rob probably got a good deal on that first 964 and probably could not bear the thought of cutting up a 993. :-D

Might the Singer effect cause t he 964 to be "the" air-cooled to have, maybe. But it is not for technical reasons.

The 993 is a much more refined car the the 964, and it is the only one that is considered the "last of the aircooled" Porsches.

And as far as bubbles, the air-cooled Porsches will not experience bubble bursting. The market has definitely slowed over the past year, but I do not foresee something akin to the 90s Ferrari market happening.

But then again, a GT1 did just sell for nearly $5.7 million.

fsa

Following Vincer77 above, I think the word "bubble" is inappropriate in this discussion. There has been no precipitous fall, but rather "market corrections" and "absorption" issues, following a likely too rapid rises in value, like in any cycle of a valued commodity. Anyone in a 993 for the short term or to flip may get caught and burned.
The marketplace and supply and demand rule, be it up or down. As long as Stuttgart continues its tirade producing ever-more expensive, ever-bigger, ever-more creature comforted, watered clones, vehicles like ours over time will hold value and be desirous of ownership.
If there are bubbles in this market, I think Singer is vulnerable- preposterously priced, and in my view over hyped.

kreeshp

To some extent I agree with this perspective however car fads come and go. They aren't making any more Ford Model T's either but you don't see those appreciating the way you see the 964 and 993 lines.

I'm not the first to raise this point but the air-cooled 911's are the cars that people in their 30's to 60's grew up wanting to own. Now that this cohort can afford their toys, this plays into the bubble.

The new generations - these Milllenials and younger - they don't have the same aspiration for automobile ownership that we had. They're more likely to be instagramming what they ate for lunch than have a poster of a 991R on their bedroom wall.

Disraeli

Not so sure about that. My daughter's made it pretty clear what possession she's most excited about inheriting upon my death.

I believe she's already researched which nail polish will go best with Pearl White.