993Widebody

I have a Sparco Evo2 seat and a 6 point harness. I also have the Sparco side brackets and the slider option. My question is regarding the tunnel side (inner) lap belt mount. How do you mount this lap belt? I was told by the guys at OG Racing that the only way to do it is to drill a hole in the tunnel and put in an eye-bolt. I really don't want to drill any holes. I am thinking there must be an easier/cleaner way.

Anyone have any exprience with this?

Another question, if I want to use the stock seat belt, the seat buckle is on the stock seat. If I remove it, I don't think there is any place to attach it to the Sparco seat or bracket. I was thinking about getting a spare buckle and welding it to the side Sparco bracket. Again, any ideas?

I did an archive search but no clear answers.

Thanks

Rick in Portland

Rob,

There is a bracket available that will attach where the seatbelt receptacle attaches now. The bolt will go through the seatbelt receptacle and this new bracket. The bracket will also swivel. You can push it down and out of the way when not using your harness belts.

Let me see where I got mine.

Rick

993Widebody

[quote]Originally posted by Rick in Portland:
<strong>Rob,

There is a bracket available that will attach where the seatbelt receptacle attaches now. The bolt will go through the seatbelt receptacle and this new bracket. The bracket will also swivel. You can push it down and out of the way when not using your harness belts.

Let me see where I got mine.

Rick</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sounds good Rick but I don't know what seatbelt receptacle you are speaking of. I have the Sparco seat, not the stock seat, and there is no receptacle - at least not that I am aware of.

Eric in Chicago

Rob,
I think what Rick was talking about is the brey-krause bracket that I have in my car.
See it at the URL below (I cant get fancy and post the pics in the reply like everyone else)

<a href="http://www.bkauto.com/r9001.html" target="_blank">http://www.bkauto.com/r9001.html</a>

Tig welded, type 304, stainless steel.
Finish: Satin finish stainless.
Weight: 6 oz.
Models: 996, Boxster, 911 & 944.
Installation: Secures snap-in lap belts to factory tunnel side (inside) seat belt mounting point.
Miscellaneous: Allows user to remove and install belts in seconds. Will not interfere with factory seat belt. One pair will work for both seats.
Note: Part# R- 9002 hardware kit is required for installation in
(1985 - 1989) model Porsches. Use part #R-9003 for outside belt mount.
U.S. Retail:
$64.95/pair Available from factory authorized distributors

E. J. - 993 Alumni

I use these brackets on my car with the stock seats as they bolt to the hole in the side of the seat. I am not sure how to mount a harness without drilling a hole which is what I plan to do when I buy the Evo 2s.

E. J.

993Widebody

[quote]Originally posted by Eric in Chicago:
<strong>Rob,
I think what Rick was talking about is the brey-krause bracket that I have in my car.
See it at the URL below (I cant get fancy and post the pics in the reply like everyone else)

<a href="http://www.bkauto.com/r9001.html" target="_blank">http://www.bkauto.com/r9001.html</a>

</strong><hr></blockquote>


Thanks Eric, but again, since I don't have the stock seats there is nothing to mount the bracket to. I could probably drill into the Sparco seat bracket to mount the brek-kreuse bracket. Sounds like some drilling or welding will be happening one way or another

993Widebody

[quote]Originally posted by E. J.:
<strong>I use these brackets on my car with the stock seats as they bolt to the hole in the side of the seat. I am not sure how to mount a harness without drilling a hole which is what I plan to do when I buy the Evo 2s.

E. J.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Hi E.J.

I just checked the brackets and how the seats mount to them. All it entails is a bolt that first goes through the bracket and then threads into the seat itself. I am wondering if the Brey-Kreuse bracket would just fit between the head of the bolt and the bracket? I can't see why this wouldn't work. What do you think?

Eric in Chicago

Rob,
Your right, I have stock set up and the BK does mount to the seat. I just bought a EVO 2 seat off rennlist "for sale", I wont be getting it for a couple of weeks so I would appericate what info you and E J come up with. I am going to call my shop in the morning to see what they could do. If it differs from drilling a hole I will post it here

Ray Calvo

Drill a hole in the tunnel, use a large washer on the inside and outside of the eyebolt. With the seat in its normal travel point, you'll never see this mount.

George Helser

Rob of NJ,

I bought a 6 point Sparco harness from OG Racing along with the Brey Krause harness bar and Brey Krause harness installation kit for a 993. It included hardware to attach the inboard 6 point belt to the original 993 seat along with the inboard stock belt plug-in.
I used the parts with my lowered Recaro SRD which required some adaptation to clear the tunnel with the belt hardware. (See my previous posts.) In the end, I have an adjustable racing seat with the 6 point harness as well as the stock belt plug-in attached to the inboard of my seat. It was NOT easy but is possible to do without drilling the tunnel. The Brey Krause hardware is first class but the problem is how much clearance the seat has with the tunnel.

Good luck!

Regards,
George
In sunny Arizona

KOAN

[quote]Originally posted by Rob of NJ - 993 C2S:
<strong>I have a Sparco Evo2 seat and a 6 point harness. I also have the Sparco side brackets and the slider option. My question is regarding the tunnel side (inner) lap belt mount. How do you mount this lap belt? I was told by the guys at OG Racing that the only way to do it is to drill a hole in the tunnel and put in an eye-bolt. I really don't want to drill any holes. I am thinking there must be an easier/cleaner way.

Anyone have any exprience with this?

Another question, if I want to use the stock seat belt, the seat buckle is on the stock seat. If I remove it, I don't think there is any place to attach it to the Sparco seat or bracket. I was thinking about getting a spare buckle and welding it to the side Sparco bracket. Again, any ideas?

I did an archive search but no clear answers.

Thanks</strong><hr></blockquote>

I drilled a hole in the floor behind the seat of my '87 911 for the inboard lap belt, to avoid drilling the tunnel, and it worked well, and was much easier. The belt just wraps around the seat. I just purchased a '96 993 with Sparco Evo 2 seats mounted on Sparco brackets. The PO drilled a hole in the bracket, and attached the inboard Sabelt belt to that. You can also switch out the stock inboard belt to that attachmant site if you want to use your street belts with the Sparco seat. The outboard belt clips to an eyelet that is attached to the stock mounting point. This seems to work well, but I don't know if all sanctioning bodies will accept a belt attached to a seat bracket. Some may require a bolt through the floor with a reinforcement washer or plate of some sort.
Hope this answers some of your questions.

E. J. - 993 Alumni

[quote]Originally posted by Rob of NJ - 993 C2S:
<strong>


Hi E.J.

I just checked the brackets and how the seats mount to them. All it entails is a bolt that first goes through the bracket and then threads into the seat itself. I am wondering if the Brey-Kreuse bracket would just fit between the head of the bolt and the bracket? I can't see why this wouldn't work. What do you think?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I just can't imagine the bolt that holds the seat to the bracket is strong enough to support the belt too. That is just risky for me. I really think you should just drill the hole. You wont notice it through the carpet anyway, and you will be and feel safer too.

Someone else talked about drilling a new hole in the bracket. I would think that would weaken the bracket. Also, I have seen the bracket and it is not too thick. Finally, I think most PCA regions dont allow a lap belt secured to the seat. Of course that is for PCA racing, but there must be a reason.

Good luck, and check with the guys at OG to be sure.

E. J.

Martin S.

I suggest you listen to Ole Ray and Chuck. I bought a set of SRDs for DE and Time Trials. I go to pick up the car, and inquired, where do I plug in my stock lap belt? Answer, you don't. I then inquired, can't you just weld the attatchment off the stock seat back on to the SRD? I was told, possibly, however there was perceived to be huge liability exposure, and the shop would not do the work.

The other point, Porsche Owners Club will not accept the BK inboard attatchment, nor will they accept 6 point belts where the sub straps are mounted to the seats. Their reasoning, suppose you take a huge impact and the seat breaks loose, you would now be doing a possible "Dale Earnhardt" rattling around the inside of your car.
As a result they drilled holes, both sides in the tunnel for the in-board mount, and drilled holes in the floor pan to mount the sub-belts. The whole set up with the DAS-sport bar, the 5 point harnesses, and the 10BC Halon Fire Extinguisher looks very macho, and more than makes up for the few additional holes.

By the way, non-track junkies think we have holes in our collective heads racing these expensives works of art on wheels around race tracks. So what harm could be a few more holes.

Ironically, POC mandates the installation of a 10BC fire extinguisher (A huge bottle if it is Halon) inside the car, within reach of the driver. What is to prevent the fire extinguisher from becoming a missle in the event of a impact? Don't tell me those cheesy btackets are going to hold the extinguisher in place. It seems to me, that if total safety is the concern, the fire extinguisher set up should be remote, with the bottle mounted in the trunk, IMHO, of course. This is my next safety upgrade.

Well I better be off and earn a few bucks to support my racing habit!!!

Martin <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />

E. J. - 993 Alumni

Hey Martin, sounds like you need a race car now.

E. J.

David '96 993

If you do end up drilling a hole in the tunnel for the inboard lap belt for the eye bolt, why not put the recepticle for the street belt there as well? Put it between the eyebolt the the tunnel. Make sure to use a washer so that it can slide forward and aft.

Just my 02 cents worth. Don't know if it will work as I have stock seats with my harnesses.