Great American 993s for Sale + Price Discussion Thread
#286
Three Wheelin'
I can really only talk to what I'd be willing to spend on a car, which may or may not be what the market thinks.
For the white car, given what I know, I think its worth low 50k. If maintenance records show any additional big jobs done it would go up from there.
For the white car, given what I know, I think its worth low 50k. If maintenance records show any additional big jobs done it would go up from there.
#287
Rennlist Member
Thanks.
A few more details...
1. No accidents- other than bad touch up paint job which a body shop will need to remove and do it right.
2. Front lower valence and skid plate need to be replaced. They have curb rash beyond refurbishment.
3. All four wheels have curb rash.
4. I took a video under the car and similar to the fan shroud, the suspension components had light white oxidation. I assume these pieces are magnesium or aluminum which the salty air in Hawaii probably got to the few years the car was on the islands.
5. Other than the valve cover reseal, no major maintenance or repairs have been done. It is due for a 60K maintenance.
6. I couldn't get the AC to work properly. The normal fan did not work well either.
7. Engine lid gas shocks need replacement.
8. The fan in front (I assume for the oil cooler) is not working properly per a PPI they did a year ago.
Here are the pictures...
https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...EE?usp=sharing
A few more details...
1. No accidents- other than bad touch up paint job which a body shop will need to remove and do it right.
2. Front lower valence and skid plate need to be replaced. They have curb rash beyond refurbishment.
3. All four wheels have curb rash.
4. I took a video under the car and similar to the fan shroud, the suspension components had light white oxidation. I assume these pieces are magnesium or aluminum which the salty air in Hawaii probably got to the few years the car was on the islands.
5. Other than the valve cover reseal, no major maintenance or repairs have been done. It is due for a 60K maintenance.
6. I couldn't get the AC to work properly. The normal fan did not work well either.
7. Engine lid gas shocks need replacement.
8. The fan in front (I assume for the oil cooler) is not working properly per a PPI they did a year ago.
Here are the pictures...
https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...EE?usp=sharing
Last edited by samurai_k; 08-06-2017 at 01:41 AM. Reason: Pictures
#288
Instructor
Nice job on the thorough visual and drive inspection.
The car sounds like a money-sucking vortex for the next owner. Unless you ignore all the cosmetic stuff and stick with the mechanicals. And even then. Chasing the HVAC issues sounds like a lot of fun.
At least the lid struts are cheap and DIY. LOL
The car sounds like a money-sucking vortex for the next owner. Unless you ignore all the cosmetic stuff and stick with the mechanicals. And even then. Chasing the HVAC issues sounds like a lot of fun.
At least the lid struts are cheap and DIY. LOL
#289
Rennlist Member
Front fan is most likely the ballast in the fender. The fact that it hasn't been replaced in a year would make me question how well the car has been maintained.
#290
Three Wheelin'
I would assume 10-15k in maintenance in the first year just to get it to where it should be mechanically. The cosmetic stuff will be on top of that. Maybe another 5k.
I would focus on mechanicals first and chip away at cosmetic stuff later. With the lack of maintenance I'd downgrade the fair price to compensate, so I wouldn't pay more than mid 40's for that car.
I'm a condition over miles guy so the 55k miles doesn't sway me much other than the fact that once you are done the car will have more value to others if the miles stay low.
On the other hand, maybe prices are still rising and I'm off my rocker
I would focus on mechanicals first and chip away at cosmetic stuff later. With the lack of maintenance I'd downgrade the fair price to compensate, so I wouldn't pay more than mid 40's for that car.
I'm a condition over miles guy so the 55k miles doesn't sway me much other than the fact that once you are done the car will have more value to others if the miles stay low.
On the other hand, maybe prices are still rising and I'm off my rocker
#291
Rennlist Member
Guys, thanks for being a sounding board for me through this process.
All of your comments have been super helpful to understand what is important and not.
So to summarize the short list
1. 97 Zenith Blue Daily Driver
Pros- Major mechanical updates- clutch, SAI cleaning, top-end rebuild, electrical, brakes, tires, major maintenance. Two previous owners, current owner for 18 years. Original paint and no accidents.
Cons- It was a daily driver so interior needs refurbishment and a good detail/paintless ding repairs
2. 96 GP White Garage Queen
Pros- Clean exterior and interior. Not perfect, but can be addressed over time. Original paint and no accidents. Mature current owner for 10 years.
Cons- Price too high @$62K. Six previous owners. Deferred 60K maintenance. Top-end still original. Low miles, but eventually needs a clutch and SAI job since it is a OBDII = $5-10K...
3. 97 Zenith Blue Garage Babe (Portland Car)
Pros- Beautiful. Exterior and interior immaculate. Has a LSD and BBS 18 mesh wheels. It is pending at $53K. Two previous owners, sold by dealer and previous owner owned for two years.
Cons- No maintenance records. Needs a clutch.
Clear which one I need to focus on now!
All of your comments have been super helpful to understand what is important and not.
So to summarize the short list
1. 97 Zenith Blue Daily Driver
Pros- Major mechanical updates- clutch, SAI cleaning, top-end rebuild, electrical, brakes, tires, major maintenance. Two previous owners, current owner for 18 years. Original paint and no accidents.
Cons- It was a daily driver so interior needs refurbishment and a good detail/paintless ding repairs
2. 96 GP White Garage Queen
Pros- Clean exterior and interior. Not perfect, but can be addressed over time. Original paint and no accidents. Mature current owner for 10 years.
Cons- Price too high @$62K. Six previous owners. Deferred 60K maintenance. Top-end still original. Low miles, but eventually needs a clutch and SAI job since it is a OBDII = $5-10K...
3. 97 Zenith Blue Garage Babe (Portland Car)
Pros- Beautiful. Exterior and interior immaculate. Has a LSD and BBS 18 mesh wheels. It is pending at $53K. Two previous owners, sold by dealer and previous owner owned for two years.
Cons- No maintenance records. Needs a clutch.
Clear which one I need to focus on now!
#292
Three Wheelin'
Guys, thanks for being a sounding board for me through this process.
All of your comments have been super helpful to understand what is important and not.
So to summarize the short list
1. 97 Zenith Blue Daily Driver
Pros- Major mechanical updates- clutch, SAI cleaning, top-end rebuild, electrical, brakes, tires, major maintenance. Two previous owners, current owner for 18 years. Original paint and no accidents.
Cons- It was a daily driver so interior needs refurbishment and a good detail/paintless ding repairs
2. 96 GP White Garage Queen
Pros- Clean exterior and interior. Not perfect, but can be addressed over time. Original paint and no accidents. Mature current owner for 10 years.
Cons- Price too high @$62K. Six previous owners. Deferred 60K maintenance. Top-end still original. Low miles, but eventually needs a clutch and SAI job since it is a OBDII = $5-10K...
3. 97 Zenith Blue Garage Babe (Portland Car)
Pros- Beautiful. Exterior and interior immaculate. Has a LSD and BBS 18 mesh wheels. It is pending at $53K. Two previous owners, sold by dealer and previous owner owned for two years.
Cons- No maintenance records. Needs a clutch.
Clear which one I need to focus on now!
All of your comments have been super helpful to understand what is important and not.
So to summarize the short list
1. 97 Zenith Blue Daily Driver
Pros- Major mechanical updates- clutch, SAI cleaning, top-end rebuild, electrical, brakes, tires, major maintenance. Two previous owners, current owner for 18 years. Original paint and no accidents.
Cons- It was a daily driver so interior needs refurbishment and a good detail/paintless ding repairs
2. 96 GP White Garage Queen
Pros- Clean exterior and interior. Not perfect, but can be addressed over time. Original paint and no accidents. Mature current owner for 10 years.
Cons- Price too high @$62K. Six previous owners. Deferred 60K maintenance. Top-end still original. Low miles, but eventually needs a clutch and SAI job since it is a OBDII = $5-10K...
3. 97 Zenith Blue Garage Babe (Portland Car)
Pros- Beautiful. Exterior and interior immaculate. Has a LSD and BBS 18 mesh wheels. It is pending at $53K. Two previous owners, sold by dealer and previous owner owned for two years.
Cons- No maintenance records. Needs a clutch.
Clear which one I need to focus on now!
I was going to type more on maintenance needs but realized I'd already typed it on another thread, so here's the link: https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...l#post14314786
If you haven't already read that thread, give it a look. Could be useful to you.
BTW - SAI can be resolved with an ECU flash rather than a cleaning. Not sure if that will work in California, maybe it trips emissions problems? But in many states that's all you'll need to do - just get the ECU to ignore the fault same as the 95 OBD1 cars do.
#293
Rennlist Member
Thanks for the link.
Just got confirmation. Seller of #1 accepted my offer based on your pricing feedback! PPI scheduled tomorrow at RMG. They do some sort of "voltage" test of the SAI system, as well as cut open oil filter and inspect. Compression check is extra. This car just had a oil change and the top end done 20K miles ago. What do you think I should do?
Just got confirmation. Seller of #1 accepted my offer based on your pricing feedback! PPI scheduled tomorrow at RMG. They do some sort of "voltage" test of the SAI system, as well as cut open oil filter and inspect. Compression check is extra. This car just had a oil change and the top end done 20K miles ago. What do you think I should do?
#294
Three Wheelin'
Thanks for the link.
Just got confirmation. Seller of #1 accepted my offer based on your pricing feedback! PPI scheduled tomorrow at RMG. They do some sort of "voltage" test of the SAI system, as well as cut open oil filter and inspect. Compression check is extra. This car just had a oil change and the top end done 20K miles ago. What do you think I should do?
Just got confirmation. Seller of #1 accepted my offer based on your pricing feedback! PPI scheduled tomorrow at RMG. They do some sort of "voltage" test of the SAI system, as well as cut open oil filter and inspect. Compression check is extra. This car just had a oil change and the top end done 20K miles ago. What do you think I should do?
Compression test is not necessarily a great indicator of engine health but it probably can't hurt to see what the numbers are. Be sure to read up on it so you know how to interpret the results.
What's current oil usage? That's the best indicator of top end health without tearing it apart.
#295
Zenith Blue is a great color, but if I remember correctly, you would want a compression check on all cylinders.
But I'm no mechanic and haven't had a 993 since 2011 (sadly).
I still lurk here though.
But I'm no mechanic and haven't had a 993 since 2011 (sadly).
I still lurk here though.
#296
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...aintained.html
'95 RS CS Tribute
Polar Silver / Grey
98.5k miles / $60,400
Sold by a RLer (Ravi) very recently but back up for sale, apparently there was a lot of interest
'95 RS CS Tribute
Polar Silver / Grey
98.5k miles / $60,400
Sold by a RLer (Ravi) very recently but back up for sale, apparently there was a lot of interest
#297
Yes, compression check on all cylinders. Leak down test on any cylinders that are outside of average range to determine if it's rings/valves that need to be replaced.
#298
Rennlist Member
Congratulations, can't wait to see pics!
Compression test is not necessarily a great indicator of engine health but it probably can't hurt to see what the numbers are. Be sure to read up on it so you know how to interpret the results.
What's current oil usage? That's the best indicator of top end health without tearing it apart.
Compression test is not necessarily a great indicator of engine health but it probably can't hurt to see what the numbers are. Be sure to read up on it so you know how to interpret the results.
What's current oil usage? That's the best indicator of top end health without tearing it apart.
Very comprehensive PPI. Strong results from compression, drive test, and SAI check. Found a few issues from the mechanical and visual inspection that the current mechanic who is selling the car did not find. We negotiated and mechanic/seller agrees to cover the repairs/parts to address the issues.
I pick up the car in a few days
Last edited by samurai_k; 04-06-2019 at 11:59 PM.
#300
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
Congrats, Zenith Blue is a great color. Good deal and PPI. I spoke to RMG once and they sound super thorough. Be sure to post some pictures when you get it!
If your front seats are bad and you want to replace rather than refurb check out the replica hardback sport seats made by Waldemar in Germany. Some Zenith Blue painted hardbacks with grey hides would look sweet and freshen up the interior - see RLer FoxMan's former Zenith Blue and cashmere seats on page 7 here:
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...made-5-5k.html
If your front seats are bad and you want to replace rather than refurb check out the replica hardback sport seats made by Waldemar in Germany. Some Zenith Blue painted hardbacks with grey hides would look sweet and freshen up the interior - see RLer FoxMan's former Zenith Blue and cashmere seats on page 7 here:
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...made-5-5k.html