Tacet-Conundrum

What about replacing the, Y Pipe, Plenum or am I barking up the wrong tree? And anything like like replacing the intake element and/or exhaust header's?
But what's it worth updating the exhaust header's if one hasn't updated Somewhat aggressively, the intake!? And why does everything for the motor cost so dang much with these cars? Is it just the Ferrari Syndrome... Since the car was expensive new and people updated them for more power that means then that performance wise is going to be overpriced in comparison to other non expensive and performance cars. I am griping just a little about that but if I can get as light weight a car humming intune at 282bhp and stuck to the road then I don't care. Besides one has to make sure the car can handle first before one ups the power. But I doubt I will put that much into a car as such.

Thank you guy's for all your help thus far! Really appreciate it.

Tacet-Conundrum

I just really started to price the 993 CS 6 Speed's and who told the dealer's selling them second hand that the cars are worth approaching $100K? This is starting to get frigen rediculous. If it's a 993 it's worth 993 Turbo Prices Circa 2010?

Don't get me wrong, you turn over enough rocks you will find that Gem. Must perceive!

Texas993

Are you shopping for a C2S or do you have one? I am not sure that I understand your comments.

All 993s are tough to find inexpensively. I'd argue that there isn't a cheap 993 in any form. Tiptronics are generally priced lower.

Franklin229

+1. LWFW makes a big difference in the feel of the car, shifting, etc-

race911

Well, we had one sell for ~$10K (yes, a whole running car) last night on the Facebook 993 page. I think. Someone who better followed that thread might be of more help.

But back to ONE MILLION horsepower air cooleds for $1.99. They've been chasing that unicorn as long as I've been into 911s (1980). Not sure why every newcomer thinks he's going to reinvent the wheel, but here we are.............

Tacet-Conundrum

Don't have one yet! I'm certain a good C2S 6speed is worth it that's why I'm playing with the idea. Being as lightweigh as these specific model's are I feel that 282 bhp when new was good and plenty.

Someone was also pointing to a LWFW too. How about a short throw kit (which in turn turn's up the muscle it takes to shift)? But that is neither aquí o para llavar! The S has a very good power to weight ratio and even below 300 bhp. When a car is designed very well then people's belief's of "this car must have this much power" yada yada yada - like Susan Powter and say "STOP THE INSANITY"! How much power has been coming from the new cars - Car Maker's keep upping the power of thier car's in effort to attract buyers. There is a point where we have to say enough. Porsche has been killing 0 - 60 times with their trans axles while GTr keeps upping the power and underrating the power. Also notice how when the GTr first came out they were priced in the high $60's. Now they are floating around $100K new at Nissan!?

Tacet-Conundrum

The Power difference the Carrera and the Carrea S is only 10 BHP? Can you even feel that in the seat of your pants. I was looking at Excellence Website - Great Fellow and Upstanding Member.

Well if it's only 10 horsies then why should I make a big deal about trying to find an S(?), unless one present's itself?

race911

Actually, it's zero. (Ignoring the '95s.)

Spyder_Man

The demand for the S variants is all about the aesthetics (big hips) and perhaps more limited production numbers.

Rather than focus on increasing the HP (assuming you get a 993) focus on losing weight within the car. Much more bang per buck. This is why you see many RS tributes on the forums.

One other mod that I'd put HIGH on the list of you're based in LA, is a good modern security system (perhaps LoJack or such). Pcar thefts in the LA area have been ridiculous over recent years.

jscott82

Let em help clarify a few things

C2 is base model 993
C2S is wide bodied version, motor is the same as C2.
all C2 and C2S made 272 in 1995
in 1996 Porsche introduced ODB2 and the varioram intake and bumped the hp to 282.

C2S is a rare beast and prices are skyrocketing because of it.

Why is it so expensive to get more HP out of a 993? Because Porsche spent 30 years perfecting this motor. While there were some budget and environmental constraints, the 993 motor was pretty much a no-holds-barred attempt at an air cooled motor. To make more power with a lot less cost, Porsche went to water cooled motors in 1999.

_snowbird_

The power increase came from the intro of the varioram. Not related to S vs non-S. The difference between S and non-S is the wide-body.

Edit: jscott beat me to it

Spyder_Man

Also regarding performance relative to model type, take a look at all the times posted here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_993#Performance

You'll notice as others have stated the HP was the same across all (non-Turbo and non-RS) models. Generally the C2 Coupe was faster than the C2S Coupe slightly and both are slightly faster than the C4S Coupe. The Cabs and Targas are slower. These time differences are really due to the weight differentials between different models. Also note how the 300 HP 3.8L RS is only 0.4s faster than the basic C2 on the 0-100 km/h test in 1994 at the launch of the 993 model line.

As others have said, it will cost a lot of $$$ for that extra 0.4s savings. And for street driving, you'll likely have many other factors keeping you from ever noticing that difference in performance. The key improvement with a 3.8L engine build (based on my readings, not experience) is the improved power band. A similar experience can be gained by regearing the transmission, as others have noted.

mpruden

FYI - US sales numbers for 993. Varioram is 96+

Tacet-Conundrum

I appreciate all of your help, it seems a bit overwhelming at times. I could care less about a large ***, generally my women have large asses and one I use to date is in the latest Lane Bryant Commercial - we won't go into that.

So in other words I would be just fine climbing into an `98 Carrera 2 and modifying it to become my own car, theft protection included.

At this point I just want to pay as little as possible for an 98 with as low as mileage as possible. Anypointers at this point, no pun, intended would help as the fellow pointed out earlier!

I can see the advantage of a square wheel base as possible as since the 993 Porsche, has increasingly made the 911 longer and longer. While a more square to as possible wheel base helps to go around the corner! But that is again for another discussion.

Again thank you all.

_snowbird_

Paying "little" for a low mileage '98 doesn't sound likely, but I guess it's a relative term. Good luck.