Anyone want to trade cars?
#32
I only give a little nod to current market values. But realistically 993s or over priced, 996s are undervalued. I would say that condition and not collectability is better primary measure of value...or "How high a millage on a 993 would I consider for my lower millage 996. Would I pay a cash premium as part of the trade? Yes, but it would be based on actual car to car comparison, not on a theoretical formula.
Before I bought my 996 I looked at several 993s...some looked like money pits...from too many mods to a collision repair to just ratted out...some were just not colors I could live with...metalic ruby, adventurine green. And of course some were just overpriced.
As the froth settles out of the market and as anti-996 hysteria fades away, I'm sure a 993 owner and I will meet and make a mutually agreeable swap.
Before I bought my 996 I looked at several 993s...some looked like money pits...from too many mods to a collision repair to just ratted out...some were just not colors I could live with...metalic ruby, adventurine green. And of course some were just overpriced.
As the froth settles out of the market and as anti-996 hysteria fades away, I'm sure a 993 owner and I will meet and make a mutually agreeable swap.
1. "I only give a little nod to current market values." If you're looking to trade, then this isn't only about you. The other party with the 993 needs to have a complementary thought process; my guess is very few do.
2. "993's are overpriced and 996's are undervalued." My question would be "to what is your benchmark?" That's like saying Apple stock at $118 is more expensive than JC Penney at $8; without looking at fundamentals such as EPS, growth rate, etc., price doesn't necessarily correlate to value.
3. "Condition vs. Collectability" as a measure of value. Each model has it's own value spectrum and within that spectrum the better the condition, generally the higher the value. You then mention "mileage" as a variable and again you need to look within the context of each series. There are many high mileage 993's that have been so well preserved (partly due to the high value of the car) and many low mileage 996 that have been trashed (partly due to the low value of the car).
4. "Froth in the market." With all due respect based on your comments on this thread you clearly don't understand the air cooled market in general and the 993 series in specific. If I were you I would have not posted beyond your initial WTT request. At first you came across as naive...but with each successive comment you're heading towards ignorance IMHO. And to educate you a bit more, 993's were not offered in "Metalic Ruby" (two l's in metallic by the way) or Adventurine Green; the colors you are referring to would be Arena Red and Aventurine Green. Like the saying goes, "I'd rather live in the worst house in the best neighborhood and not the best house in the worst neighborhood. Let the forum know how that swap works out for you.
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#35
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996 resale is still going down.
993 resale is still going up.
To get into a decent running 993 you will want $30k in your jeans.
To get into a decent running 996 you can find them as low as $15k
You will never find a high mileage 993 owner trade straight up for a low mile 996.
The 993 owner could easily sell the 993 within 30 days wheras the 996 owner would need alot longer time to find a buyer and worst case a price reduction.
Typically those with items that are hard to sell often option for "trade" offers...
I have not seen anybody in a jam to trade their clean title 993, dead or alive.
993 resale is still going up.
To get into a decent running 993 you will want $30k in your jeans.
To get into a decent running 996 you can find them as low as $15k
You will never find a high mileage 993 owner trade straight up for a low mile 996.
The 993 owner could easily sell the 993 within 30 days wheras the 996 owner would need alot longer time to find a buyer and worst case a price reduction.
Typically those with items that are hard to sell often option for "trade" offers...
I have not seen anybody in a jam to trade their clean title 993, dead or alive.
Last edited by tcsracing1; 11-30-2014 at 09:56 PM.
#36
I have a sweet 95 LeBaron. As the last of the K cars, it is undervalued in the market. I'll happily trade it for a similar year 993. Once the anti-Iacocca hystera dies down, you all will see what I mean.
#37
Never understood the logic of trading. The barter economy was abandoned thousands of year ago after money was invented because bartering depends on the simultaneous coincidence of wants. How many people in the U.S. who own 1995 993 coupes would rather have a 996? Probably zero. It's like showing up at the farmer's market with a wheelbarrow of potatoes when what you really need is chickens, and hoping someone shows up with chickens who needs potatoes. Probably not going to happen.
The money economy is pretty great. You trade your goods for cash, and then you trade your cash for whatever you want. Very efficient.
What I'm getting at, OP, is that you should sell your 996 for money and then buy whatever 993 you want. Everyone wins.
#capitalism
The money economy is pretty great. You trade your goods for cash, and then you trade your cash for whatever you want. Very efficient.
What I'm getting at, OP, is that you should sell your 996 for money and then buy whatever 993 you want. Everyone wins.
#capitalism
#39
Well I guess we will just have to wait and see. The only 996s I see in at $15k are beaters. As I said, I've give my car and $10k cash for my old 993 but I haven't seen another I'd make that offer for. The current 993 prices are no different than any other bubble. And to consider them as investments is folly. They are very very very nice cars...but they are not irresistible.
#40
I only give a little nod to current market values. But realistically 993s or over priced, 996s are undervalued. I would say that condition and not collectability is better primary measure of value...or "How high a millage on a 993 would I consider for my lower millage 996. Would I pay a cash premium as part of the trade? Yes, but it would be based on actual car to car comparison, not on a theoretical formula.
Before I bought my 996 I looked at several 993s...some looked like money pits...from too many mods to a collision repair to just ratted out...some were just not colors I could live with...metalic ruby, adventurine green. And of course some were just overpriced.
As the froth settles out of the market and as anti-996 hysteria fades away, I'm sure a 993 owner and I will meet and make a mutually agreeable swap.
Before I bought my 996 I looked at several 993s...some looked like money pits...from too many mods to a collision repair to just ratted out...some were just not colors I could live with...metalic ruby, adventurine green. And of course some were just overpriced.
As the froth settles out of the market and as anti-996 hysteria fades away, I'm sure a 993 owner and I will meet and make a mutually agreeable swap.
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#41
Well I guess we will just have to wait and see. The only 996s I see in at $15k are beaters. As I said, I've give my car and $10k cash for my old 993 but I haven't seen another I'd make that offer for. The current 993 prices are no different than any other bubble. And to consider them as investments is folly. They are very very very nice cars...but they are not irresistible.
If the 993 bubble pops, your 996 is gonna be worth less than $10k. No matter what, a 993 C2 will trump an equal 996 C2 for the REST OF TIME.
When did the discussion go to investment? We were taking about trading a 996 for a 993.
Sounds like you bought a 996 when you couldn't get a 993, and now you have remorse. As was stated above, focus on selling your car, then plop that cash down with some more, and get the car you seem to want.
#42
And there's something about the timeless interior design of all pre-996 models that will never be recaptured with all of today's electronics.
#43
That's down right sexy. If that we're the "John Voight edition" then we're talking WB 993 or even Turbo money.
#44
To be fair, he is offering his 996 +Cash
Details can be negotiated
That said, if this shapes into a reasonable deal, I will buy a 996 to see if I can make it happen
I miss every 993 I have owned...
I bought a 7-GT3 and my plan was to snag another 993 and keep it. Forever.
Then things got crazy
Plan fail
Details can be negotiated
That said, if this shapes into a reasonable deal, I will buy a 996 to see if I can make it happen
I miss every 993 I have owned...
I bought a 7-GT3 and my plan was to snag another 993 and keep it. Forever.
Then things got crazy
Plan fail
#45
To be fair, he is offering his 996 +Cash
Details can be negotiated
That said, if this shapes into a reasonable deal, I will buy a 996 to see if I can make it happen
I miss every 993 I have owned...
I bought a 7-GT3 and my plan was to snag another 993 and keep it. Forever.
Then things got crazy
Plan fail
Details can be negotiated
That said, if this shapes into a reasonable deal, I will buy a 996 to see if I can make it happen
I miss every 993 I have owned...
I bought a 7-GT3 and my plan was to snag another 993 and keep it. Forever.
Then things got crazy
Plan fail