Salon Kitty was never my favorite Tinto Brass movie, but I'm a huge Helmut Berger fan, so I enjoyed it all the same.

I'm a huge fan of "marginally-tasteful" movies of all kinds, particularly those of the Italian persuasion, and even more particularly those from the 60s and 70s. I actually like pretty much anything fro the 60s and 70s, but the Italians just had a crazy thing happening over there at that time. They did what they thought was cool and didn't care if you didn't like it or if it even made any sense. You can see it in their industrial design and even in their cars.

Oh, and I'm kind of in the industry. I edit reality TV shows.

But back on topic... I'm still don't want to trade my 993 for a 996.

 

What are you on and where can I get some?

 

Try contacting this member, he can probably hook you up.
https://rennlist.com/forums/members/...hnellauto.html

 

 

For those who like his films, some early work you might find worth viewing includes "A Walk In the Sun," "Red River," "The Good Die Young," "Gun Fight at the OK Corral," and (the original Roger Corman film) "The Fast and the Furious" shot in 7 days and written on the fly. As it relates to cars, my two favorite that he owned was a 1958 Corvette with two four barrel carbs, and a Facel Vega HK500 (same car Camus died in and Ava Gardner seduced Spanish Bull Fighters with).

Honest to God, my 993 glove box latch kept breaking, the drivers arm rest was falling apart, the rear window seals started leaking water, and the fuzzy carpet made me think of sweaters worn by LaVerne and Shirley. Other wise I loved the car. What it has that my 996 lacks is simplicity. What "my" 996 has that "my" 993 didn't have was (for me) a better interior.

Did I like my 993 better than my 964? Yes. The 993 was light years ahead...from the rear suspension to how to service the headlights to the Variocam and the 6sp transmission. At the same time the longer I live with my 996 the more dated the 993 begins to seem "to me." I certainly would take a 993 over a 991...which is taking the 911 into obesity territory.

My original post was to explore if someone might be interested. It wasn't an attack on 993s...just looking to see if someone was interested. As for values...I had a friend who bought a 275 GTB 4 cam for $20000. A few years later he sold it for $40000 and put the money down on a house. Three years later the car was for sale at the Monterey Historics weekend for 2.5 million. Then a few years later they were back down below a million...now they are up in the plus 10 million range. Nothing mechanically has changed about the cars...they are only as good as the day they left the factory. Later Ferraris are better cars. You might like the old car more, but it is not the better car.

Sorry none of you got to see my father on stage in comedy. He was very good.

 

Sounds like your 993 didn't see a lot of love.

 

It's the only one he would consider paying cash for plus his 996. 993's without failing interiors from poor driver care are worth less than the ones that are falling apart.

Step away from the purple drank Mr. Ireland.

 

Yet even you think the old car is the better car. By almost any performance metric, the 991 is a "better" car than my 993.

Depends on the definition of what one considers "better".

If you like electronic nannies and navigation and a GT plush ride, the 991 is better.

If you like an older-school mechanical type ride that's a little more raw, less refined and without the modern electric gizmos and nannies, then you could easily say the 993 is better.

We can all agree, however, that between the 993 and the 991 is the 996, which is the worst 911 of all time

 

Excellent point, I forgot about his assessment of his previous 993.

 

You need to read more carefully. I didn't say the 993 was better than a 991, I said I would take the 993 over the 991. I would also take my 996 over a 991...again the size of the 991 doesn't do it for me.

QUOTE=goofballdeluxe;11889844]Yet even you think the old car is the better car. By almost any performance metric, the 991 is a "better" car than my 993.

Depends on the definition of what one considers "better".

If you like electronic nannies and navigation and a GT plush ride, the 991 is better.

If you like an older-school mechanical type ride that's a little more raw, less refined and without the modern electric gizmos and nannies, then you could easily say the 993 is better.

We can all agree, however, that between the 993 and the 991 is the 996, which is the worst 911 of all time [/QUOTE]

 

To help you with your selective memory, saying that I found my old 993 special enough to merit cash plus my 996 does not mean I would feel that way about any 993. As already stated, I drove many 993s but did not feel they were worth the asking price. I drove my 996 and felt it was. However my 993 had a special history...and that rare Riviera Blue...but I have to wonder if I would feel the same about it 14 years later if I drove it again.

 

Since this thread seems to inflame so many 993 owners perhaps the mods should just shut it down. I am certainly not going to bother coming to it again.

 

You can shut this thread yourself.

 

...or he could just quit bumping it.

 

I quit following this, but those damned email notifications.

No way, no how is the 996 the worst 911. A '75 CA emissions strangled model is. Worst of everything. Thermal reactors/air pump/EGR speak for themselves. A mag case 2.7 saddled with that, and usually dealer installed AC was the death sentence. Now, add in a clutch cable/release mechanism that hadn't been figured out. And brakes that weren't yet vacuum assisted. All wrapped in a body that wasn't yet fully galvanized. (Even in CA and AZ we'd see corrosion within the decade.)

Honorable mention for a '77 Comfort Group (14" wheels and soft torsion bars), the early, early cars with mechanical fuel pumps/splash fill chain tensioners/Solex carbs, and the 2.4T with MFI.