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Old 05-17-2014, 10:55 PM
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I recently acquired a 1995 c2. It has 71000kms (44000mi) on it. I am the second owner and its in really nice shape and completely stock. Its black on black and has only a few small issues like the hanging clutch and leaking cam covers. Originally I thought I would keep it and do some upgrades here and there to convert it to a ROW 993 with varioram. With that intent I bought a complete varioram setup and I have nearly assembled all the parts I need. Then something bad happened: I saw and heard a 993 turbo.

I had no idea I would wind up liking the car I currently have nor the turbo so much. Now I find myself searching for a C4S or a turbo and having the thought of selling off what I have to get a C4S or turbo in any color (ideally in Arena Red) except guards red, or arctic silver. No offence intended; these colors just don't do it for me.

So here is my question: if I complete the varioram conversion, and I am an OCD pedantic Ph.D. engineer who obsesses over details so it will be done right and as close to stock as possible, will I destroy the value of the car? Will the conversion do nothing to the value of the car, or increase it?

Cheers,

Karl
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Im sure some may not agree but I would consider a proper conversion done to correct factory spec a very high value addition. Have toyed with the idea myself.
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I don't think it would add much or take away from a sales price right now. As the cars get older the values will be higher the closer they are to stock.
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With that type of low mileage and being completely stock, you would most likely find more buyers and sell for a higher price if you left it 1995 original. The clean slate cars with relatively low miles are obviously becoming very hard to source.
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Leave it stock ... the 1995 is very desirable
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Originally Posted by FlatSix911
Leave it stock ... the 1995 is very desirable
This.
Old 05-18-2014, 12:35 AM
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I keep all original parts related to mods. This includes exhaust, cat, rear spoiler, wheels, etc., etc. If I did add Varioram I would save every nut, bolt, and part for the same reason.

Since you asked for opinions I will offer mine, which is likely contrary to many here: When looking for a 993 I limited my search to Varioram cars only. I wouldn't consider a '95 because it was an earlier lower HP variant. If/when I ever add a second 993 to the fleet, I won't hesitate to buy the right non-vario.

Good luck!
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Looking at it from a pure accounting point of view, even if adding varioram added some value to the car, it's doubtful that it would add enough to cover the cost of parts and labor (Or the value of your labor if you're going to do the job yourself). Generally, it's rare to recoup the costs of modifications you make on cars. If you're going to buy a TT, save yourself some trouble...Sell the '95 as is and put the varioram stuff in the classifieds as a package.

Just my opinon.
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Varioram was such an enhancement for the yellow car that it was scrapped. I think before the engine even came off the dyno. Kim probably spent over $4K on parts and programming.

Understand this was for a track rat.
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Karl, sent you a pm.
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Originally Posted by knorrena
I recently acquired a 1995 c2. It has 71000kms (44000mi) on it. I am the second owner and its in really nice shape and completely stock. Its black on black and has only a few small issues like the hanging clutch and leaking cam covers. Originally I thought I would keep it and do some upgrades here and there to convert it to a ROW 993 with varioram. With that intent I bought a complete varioram setup and I have nearly assembled all the parts I need. Then something bad happened: I saw and heard a 993 turbo.

I had no idea I would wind up liking the car I currently have nor the turbo so much. Now I find myself searching for a C4S or a turbo and having the thought of selling off what I have to get a C4S or turbo in any color (ideally in Arena Red) except guards red, or arctic silver. No offence intended; these colors just don't do it for me.

So here is my question: if I complete the varioram conversion, and I am an OCD pedantic Ph.D. engineer who obsesses over details so it will be done right and as close to stock as possible, will I destroy the value of the car? Will the conversion do nothing to the value of the car, or increase it?

Cheers,

Karl
interesting stream of consciousness.
my reply
  • varioram will add little if any value, (some 95s did have varioram)
  • if you want a turbo, sell what you have now and buy one
  • actually, sell now at price peak and buy in the winter, price lull.
  • expect to pay 2X for a turbo which does not have anywhere near 2X the performance, except perhaps in value.

enjoy the ride.
Old 05-19-2014, 11:51 PM
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The is more to a '96 on Varioram engine than just the intake. Heads, valves, cams differed as we'll not to mention ECU. If you did a full Powerkit 3.8 kit along with Varioram then you might have something, otherwise a waste of time IMHO.
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worthless...


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