Notices
993 Forum 1995-1998

For those who've re-geared their G50-20...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-07-2014, 05:23 PM
  #16  
NP993
Rennlist Member
 
NP993's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 3,052
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by gridlock61
Ideally I would swap out 2-6
RS 2nd and /20 2nd are almost identical (RS ratio is actually taller than /20). Never understood the point of paying thousands for a 99 percent identical gear ratio.
Old 02-07-2014, 05:28 PM
  #17  
JM993
Banned
 
JM993's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 2,361
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by NP993
RS 2nd and /20 2nd are almost identical (RS ratio is actually taller than /20). Never understood the point of paying thousands for a 99 percent identical gear ratio.
Yes, if you go with an RS 2nd, you want the taller RS 1st to go with it.
Old 02-07-2014, 05:44 PM
  #18  
e3photo
Three Wheelin'
 
e3photo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Franklin, Tenn.
Posts: 1,553
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

I ended up changing 3rd and 4th,and I am quite happy. It gives a nice 2,3,4 range,and leaves 5th and 6th for highway. It is perfect for my driving,but I dont track the car. I talked with Steve,and then the guys at GT gears. I believe 3rd and 4th are similar to a 996 cup.



Emerald
Old 02-07-2014, 05:53 PM
  #19  
gridlock61
Racer
Thread Starter
 
gridlock61's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Kingston, NY
Posts: 259
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by e3photo
I ended up changing 3rd and 4th,and I am quite happy. It gives a nice 2,3,4 range,and leaves 5th and 6th for highway. It is perfect for my driving,but I dont track the car. I talked with Steve,and then the guys at GT gears. I believe 3rd and 4th are similar to a 996 cup.



Emerald
Hmmm, interesting. It might work out for me to change 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, but leave 5th and 6th alone. This would create a larger gap from 4th to 5th, but tighter spacing from 1st through 4th, which is where most of my rural spirited driving is done.
Old 02-07-2014, 06:01 PM
  #20  
M. Schneider
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
M. Schneider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 1997
Location: ^^ Werk 1 pictured Yr '00 .. Vail, Colorado
Posts: 2,522
Received 72 Likes on 59 Posts
Default

OP -
Made the swap to a RoW G50/21 gearbox when the C2S coupe was about a year+ old and never looked back.

Which 6th gear to use? I'm comfortable with the stock 6th gear in the RoW (Germany) gearbox and yeah, the rpm is noticeably, ever-so-slightly by comparison, elevated when at USA highway speeds; 65-85mph.
On the other hand when overtaking another vehicle the RPM in the moment seems just right.

Good luck. . . New Paltz, NY .... a very nice area to drive a 911.

Cheers, Mike

1998 C2S ordered new - late 8/97 production.
G50/21 RoW, M033/Koni, LPMM, P99RS/Dynaudio, mostly stock . . .
Old 02-07-2014, 06:07 PM
  #21  
gridlock61
Racer
Thread Starter
 
gridlock61's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Kingston, NY
Posts: 259
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Bill Verburg
Here's a typical regear where 5 was moved to 6 compared to stock w/ the same engine, 1 is the same in both, 2-4 were all lowered to fit nicely between 1 and 6(old 5)
Thanks for the info. What do you think about lowering 2-4, but keeping stock 5-6. I realize the 4-5 jump will be larger...
Old 02-07-2014, 06:10 PM
  #22  
gridlock61
Racer
Thread Starter
 
gridlock61's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Kingston, NY
Posts: 259
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by M. Schneider
OP -
Made the swap to a RoW G50/21 when my coupe was about a year old or so and couldn't be happier.
Which 6th gear to use? I'm comfortable with the stock 6th in my RoW gearbox and yes the rpm seems ever-so-slightly elevated when at highway speeds; 70-85mph. On the other hand when cruising the coupe over takes another vehicle that much easier.

Good luck
Hows does 6th gear in your G50-21 compare to 6th in the G50-20? Is it closer to 5th in the G50-20?
Old 02-07-2014, 06:20 PM
  #23  
Bill Verburg
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Bill Verburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 12,313
Received 535 Likes on 370 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by gridlock61
Thanks for the info. What do you think about lowering 2-4, but keeping stock 5-6. I realize the 4-5 jump will be larger...
It's a jig saw puzzle, you can't really change one thing and expect it to work well unless the compromise you have induced is so overwhelmingly favorable to what you want.

here's an example of a less than favorable change


here's a really nice /21, the jump from 5 to 6 could be a tad shorter but for cruising it's fine, in these charts you generally look for equal or slightly smaller drops as you go up through the gears


I really prefer the thrust charts as they match the engine and trans but the plain ole trans charts are also instructive
Old 02-07-2014, 06:51 PM
  #24  
Cemoto
Rennlist Member
 
Cemoto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: New England
Posts: 2,045
Received 134 Likes on 74 Posts
Default

Stew,

I have zero experience with re-gearing but I do know the roads in your area very well. You have some of the best in the northeast in my opinion.

My experience here in MA is that 6th is more like a low RPM overdrive. It is useful on long flat roads for low fuel consumption. The MA Pike is not flat and although I rarely take the 993 out on the Pike, the times I have, I've found that when in 6th I don't feel as if I'm in the power band and after a few miles drop down to 5th. I like to keep the motor "happy".

For me, 3rd is the "magical" gear, w/ gobs of torque between 35 and 90, perfect for our rural roads. So I'd work on massaging 2nd and 4th.

If you lived in someplace relatively flat, I'd have a different opinion.

Hope to get "the sisters" together sometime this summer.

Regards,

Al
Old 02-07-2014, 07:03 PM
  #25  
KaiB
Nordschleife Master
 
KaiB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Deep Downtown Carrier, OK
Posts: 5,297
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by lowflying
Bill,
Do you have a chart for g50 20 but with 7800 rpm as redline?? cheers, Stef.
Extrapolate up a bit on Bill's. The slope of each line does not vary.
Old 02-07-2014, 10:04 PM
  #26  
Analog Theory
Burning Brakes
 
Analog Theory's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1,218
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

Jeff Gamroth at Rothsport did mine. I couldn't be happier. 5th is too short for any signfic
Old 02-07-2014, 10:09 PM
  #27  
Analog Theory
Burning Brakes
 
Analog Theory's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1,218
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

Hit the button by accident sorry. 5th IMO is too short for 6th. I did 2-6 with after market gears 2-5 and then the euro 6th. Perfect balance. Nice and tight down low and a proper cruising gear as the US 6th was useless way too tall. Yes it's expensive but anyone who says why bother you can't feel the difference on the street has obviously never driven one properly done. As Steve Weiner once said it "feels" like 50hp and he wasn't kidding. Night and day upgrade....massive thumbs up.
Old 02-07-2014, 10:21 PM
  #28  
gridlock61
Racer
Thread Starter
 
gridlock61's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Kingston, NY
Posts: 259
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Flat-6 Performance
Hit the button by accident sorry. 5th IMO is too short for 6th. I did 2-6 with after market gears 2-5 and then the euro 6th. Perfect balance. Nice and tight down low and a proper cruising gear as the US 6th was useless way too tall. Yes it's expensive but anyone who says why bother you can't feel the difference on the street has obviously never driven one properly done. As Steve Weiner once said it "feels" like 50hp and he wasn't kidding. Night and day upgrade....massive thumbs up.
Can you list the 2-6 gears that you have? Would you have selected anything different in those gears after it was done?

Thanks
Old 02-08-2014, 12:07 AM
  #29  
Analog Theory
Burning Brakes
 
Analog Theory's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1,218
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

https://rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?t=655175
Old 02-08-2014, 03:09 AM
  #30  
993RS
Race Car
 
993RS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 3,547
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by gridlock61
Thanks. I've spoken to him in length already. I'm trying to find out what others have done, and if the are happy with their re-gearing choices.
I put in Steve's recommended gearsets and am extremely happy. No holes anywhere. Feels like a motorcycle.


Quick Reply: For those who've re-geared their G50-20...



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 03:29 AM.