Reading the "What's my C4S Worth?" thread, got me thinking about some P-car values. I find it interesting that 993TT's are worth quite a bit more than a nice first-series 930. I understand that a 993TT is a better and more reliable car than a 930, but the 930 is a landmark car.

What do you guys attribute this too?

 

Last and best of the air cooled!!! Simple as that.

The other one is a hairy, still rough around edges beast.

 

I am a big fan of the 930 as an objet d'art so I track the market a bit. I think the 'average' price of the 930 is lower because many of the cars are highly modified and that is a significant risk to the buyer of a 930. Later years of the 930 in good original condition are priced right up there with the best 993 turbos. And the early years (76-78), if they can be found in good original condition, are getting up into the same price range. IMO the range of miles/condition of 930s is much larger than the 993 turbo so you see a much larger range of prices.

 

Actually, it looks like 964 turbo are getting pretty close to 993tt. A 964 3.6 turbo is way up there in price, if you are so luck to even find one. The 993tt is a way better car, but I do lust after a 930. It's just such a unique and flawed object, and I think it will be just as rewarding as a 993tt.

A 996tt is even better handling and more reliable. You can buy two of those for the price of a 993tt. Just saying

 

Weren't there significantly more 930's made than 993tt's? Supply and demand drives price.

 

964 Turbo prices are slowly eclipsing 993 Twin Turbo prices. For example, this Turbo 3.6 recently sold for a reported $120K:
http://www.babellimotors.com/1994-Po...-92101/4512030

And these two 964 3.3 Turbos provide an indication of the direction of the 964 Turbo market:
http://www.manhattanmotorcars.com/us...o-trim-u12342/
http://www.babellimotors.com/1992-Po...-92101/4545274

 

I think the early 930's, in nice shape and minimal molestation, will be climbing steeply. Just because they are the first offerings for the street.

 

Yep. Those 76-77 3.0s and the 79 3.3s. Probably the last 911 bodied ones from 1988 too??

 

And we can count on about one hand now how many are even reasonably stock. Not that you'd want one that way, other than as 3D art. Have to admit they were pretty awful cars for doing anything other than a top speed run with.

My 1986 pretty much went like this: new 930 comes in for lower/align (I was less than half what the dealers charged, and was the only independent in Phoenix with a rack/machine. I wasn't giving it away, either.) Couple of months later my new customer calls asking about what we can do to make it faster. A few guys "got it." A few guys started hacking. Rinse and repeat. I'd say after 12 months, probably less than half of the 930s in my area were stock. And many of those had their engines apart for probably the third time.......

 

Hey, we said the same thing. And your post hit a spot in my memory. I had seen a 930 for the first time in 1978 in So CA and was smitten with those hips. Then in about 1980 I was living in Tucson and there was an article in the local newspaper about an independent Porsche mechanic. As I recall the jist was his love for the cars more than profit ... but I remember the article saying the mechanic owned a 930. I think the article said the guy kept a spare engine in the second bedroom of his house for the fairly frequent rebuilds. Was that you Ken?

 

a few overpriced examples does not a trend make.

on average, 993TTs still command more than 964 turbos

 

No, but I think I remember the shop through reputation. I got out of ASU in '85, and opened a shop in Central Phoenix that fall.

(Too funny I'm pounding this out as I've just landed at SLC.)

 

930 is an interesting animal. Trouble is, the impact bumpers, lag and finding decent mechanics in the know.
Id wouldnt go on the hunt for one but i wouldnt say no to a good one either. Came across a really nice one not too long ago and was super tempted but alas given its age and big *** bumpers it just wasnt true love.

964 turbos are climbing in value. Hard to find em now. Tuning them sux unless you know what you are doing.

993 turbos with low miles are holding strong and in some cases climbing. The are faster and easier to own then 930 and 964. They are the pinnacle IMHO.

friend of mine just nabbed this nice white 1991 Turbo.

 

Per the original post, Low mile/original/perfect 930 can command same or more value than apples for apples 993tt. But there are so few to even compare. Pretty much refer to any post by Race911 on 930's.

As for the off topic direction of the 964 Turbo. Don't be fooled, these cars (1994 3.6T) are going crazy, not just a couple over priced sales. I believe up 20-25% in last year conservatively speaking. Over 60k mile original cars are getting over $80k... not happening with 993TT right now. Price delta on 993tt is larger and 930 is even larger

Also consider that the 993tt falls between the 1994 3.6 Turbo, last and best of raw, single turbo, rear drive cars, very low production #'s; and the 996tt, probably one of the most under appreciated cars of all time and still a performance monster by today's standards... that being said, the 996tt is a true bargain and the 964 3.6T should walk away from the 993tt in value.

 

Do you have some examples of the sample which has led you to conclude that "993TTs still command more than 964 Turbos?"

Here's another "overpriced example" of a 964 Turbo (with a current price of $135K).
http://www.motorcargroup.com/web/use...n-Ohio/872171/