Porsche Values 993 vs 930
#31
Drifting
No Ed, No torsion bar bashing but you have to admit that coil overs and mult-link is very comfortable on longer drives. I love my SC for what it is, visceral tail whipping action! The added delayed kick from a turbo would not be good in my hands!
#32
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I was just chuckling at the comments about the "antiquity" and "harshness" of the older cars. I've only driven a 930 once, but the lag and quirkiness was enjoyable.
If it was all about refinement over time, we should all go buy 991's.
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The 930 is more fun then ever because everything it did poorly is now considered interesting to the collector crowd.
The 911 turbo was so refined by 1998 that everybody forgot what is was like in the 1980's to have massive lag and torsion bar suspension etc..
These qurks are what people enjoy in a classic 911 experience. To feel lag in the 1980's was the norm and needed improvment but to feel the 930 come on boost in the year 2013 is the novelty that is enjoyed by enthusists when compared to newer turbo models. Not mind blowing but you get the idea.
It is fun to drive old technology to experience how it was and compare to what it is today. Sometime less is more in a collector car.
By todays standards it actually isnt that bad of a sports car in terms of shelf life. It still delivers.
It was special then and it is special now because of both its pros and cons.
The 911 turbo was so refined by 1998 that everybody forgot what is was like in the 1980's to have massive lag and torsion bar suspension etc..
These qurks are what people enjoy in a classic 911 experience. To feel lag in the 1980's was the norm and needed improvment but to feel the 930 come on boost in the year 2013 is the novelty that is enjoyed by enthusists when compared to newer turbo models. Not mind blowing but you get the idea.
It is fun to drive old technology to experience how it was and compare to what it is today. Sometime less is more in a collector car.
By todays standards it actually isnt that bad of a sports car in terms of shelf life. It still delivers.
It was special then and it is special now because of both its pros and cons.
Last edited by tcsracing1; 08-09-2013 at 06:01 PM.
#34
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I could probably spend the rest of the night here, BUT.................
With a 930 you just have to learn how to drive a 930, if you're doing anything other than running it through the gears to get it to top speed. Even on a low compression/stock cam/US exhaust/K26/stock geared 3.0L variant if you're good with your footwork and brain you work through the "lag". If not, there are plenty of comprehensive upgrades to pretty much eliminate it, and bring the driving experience back to what the average dumb *** is good for. Biggest problem was, a usable torque curve + reliability wasn't good enough for 2/3s of the owners who wanted to modify things. So things went boom. Regularly.
I'll engage a conversation with anyone who owned one (or spent time in the engine bay) for a significant amount of time, and put hard track miles on it. Other than that, it's third hand hearsay.
For the record, I think one of the nicest 911 engines you can put together is a forced induction variant of a 3.2L Carrera. In a ~2700 lb. torsion bar chassis you CAN have a reasonably driveable/comfortable street car. Too bad about those pesky smog laws most of us have to deal with.
With a 930 you just have to learn how to drive a 930, if you're doing anything other than running it through the gears to get it to top speed. Even on a low compression/stock cam/US exhaust/K26/stock geared 3.0L variant if you're good with your footwork and brain you work through the "lag". If not, there are plenty of comprehensive upgrades to pretty much eliminate it, and bring the driving experience back to what the average dumb *** is good for. Biggest problem was, a usable torque curve + reliability wasn't good enough for 2/3s of the owners who wanted to modify things. So things went boom. Regularly.
I'll engage a conversation with anyone who owned one (or spent time in the engine bay) for a significant amount of time, and put hard track miles on it. Other than that, it's third hand hearsay.
For the record, I think one of the nicest 911 engines you can put together is a forced induction variant of a 3.2L Carrera. In a ~2700 lb. torsion bar chassis you CAN have a reasonably driveable/comfortable street car. Too bad about those pesky smog laws most of us have to deal with.
#35
Hey So i just came up on this 930 porsche for sale fo 67k
https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/...930-c-7436.htm
Iv been following the market and from what I see they sell for around 76-120k
Do you guys know why this one is priced so much lower? What do you think its worth?
and what makes some turbos worth so much more than others? Which years are more desireable than others?
I also saw another 911 1989 Porsche turbo asking 65k all matching numbers. But a lot of aftermarket things done with the engine. Headers, k27 turbo, ss intercooler
I can get pictures of it.
hagerty values 1989 930 at 200k??
I would love your thoughts and opinions!
Thanks for the help!
Shawn
https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/...930-c-7436.htm
Iv been following the market and from what I see they sell for around 76-120k
Do you guys know why this one is priced so much lower? What do you think its worth?
and what makes some turbos worth so much more than others? Which years are more desireable than others?
I also saw another 911 1989 Porsche turbo asking 65k all matching numbers. But a lot of aftermarket things done with the engine. Headers, k27 turbo, ss intercooler
I can get pictures of it.
hagerty values 1989 930 at 200k??
I would love your thoughts and opinions!
Thanks for the help!
Shawn
#36
Hey So i just came up on this 930 porsche for sale fo 67k
https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/...930-c-7436.htm
Iv been following the market and from what I see they sell for around 76-120k
Do you guys know why this one is priced so much lower? What do you think its worth?
and what makes some turbos worth so much more than others? Which years are more desireable than others?
I also saw another 911 1989 Porsche turbo asking 65k all matching numbers. But a lot of aftermarket things done with the engine. Headers, k27 turbo, ss intercooler
I can get pictures of it.
hagerty values 1989 930 at 200k??
I would love your thoughts and opinions!
Thanks for the help!
Shawn
https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/...930-c-7436.htm
Iv been following the market and from what I see they sell for around 76-120k
Do you guys know why this one is priced so much lower? What do you think its worth?
and what makes some turbos worth so much more than others? Which years are more desireable than others?
I also saw another 911 1989 Porsche turbo asking 65k all matching numbers. But a lot of aftermarket things done with the engine. Headers, k27 turbo, ss intercooler
I can get pictures of it.
hagerty values 1989 930 at 200k??
I would love your thoughts and opinions!
Thanks for the help!
Shawn
#37
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Because it's been bastardized.
Hey So i just came up on this 930 porsche for sale fo 67k
https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/...930-c-7436.htm
Iv been following the market and from what I see they sell for around 76-120k
Do you guys know why this one is priced so much lower? What do you think its worth?
and what makes some turbos worth so much more than others? Which years are more desireable than others?
I also saw another 911 1989 Porsche turbo asking 65k all matching numbers. But a lot of aftermarket things done with the engine. Headers, k27 turbo, ss intercooler
I can get pictures of it.
hagerty values 1989 930 at 200k??
I would love your thoughts and opinions!
Thanks for the help!
Shawn
https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/...930-c-7436.htm
Iv been following the market and from what I see they sell for around 76-120k
Do you guys know why this one is priced so much lower? What do you think its worth?
and what makes some turbos worth so much more than others? Which years are more desireable than others?
I also saw another 911 1989 Porsche turbo asking 65k all matching numbers. But a lot of aftermarket things done with the engine. Headers, k27 turbo, ss intercooler
I can get pictures of it.
hagerty values 1989 930 at 200k??
I would love your thoughts and opinions!
Thanks for the help!
Shawn