E_T

Admittedly from a dealer, not necessarily representative and very low milage cars, but still..The black C2S with 23 K km on it has an asking price of 99.900 euros, ditto for the silver 4S. The white C2S looks to be a US import which seems to fetch slightly lower prices, but at 75 000 euros the pricing is still pretty ambitious. Looks as if my 23 K miler which I imported from the US last year was a reasonable deal, if this is anything to go by over here.

http://www.nic-sportwagen.de

Spin the carousel until they appear. On the web site, that is.

IXLR8

Which quite often means they are overpriced as you were implying. I've never bought a used vehicle from a dealer for that and other reasons.

Its also what the market will bear. "Old timers" seem to do very well in Europe. Look at the bargain basement prices of a 997 compared to a 993 over there.

And pricing from one country to another usually never makes sense. I was pricing a new Honda CR-V the other week. The car is built in Canada, the dollar is at par and yet the car is $3295 (13%) cheaper in the US and Freight & PDI is another $810 cheaper for a total of $4105 (15%) less.

Honda Canada's answer to the massive Freight & PDI dollar difference (within $20 of double the US rate)...it costs them a lot to send cars to Yukon...as if sending a car even further to Alaska costs Honda USA less. You gotta love those intelligent answers from Honda Canada's customer service department. The greed up here is why I spend my money down there.

Neil Perry

The prices of 993's in Australia are interesting
993 C2 Coupe Manual low Klms usually around $100,000.00
993 C2S or C4S low Klms usually around $120,000.00

Cabs and Autos in OK condition usually around $60K to $70K

IXLR8

Neil, my aunt who lives there paid $36K for a new Honda Civic some years ago. Can that be right or did they take her for a ride?

Macca

Neil,

Ours are cheaper in NZ by around 35%. However same price ratio/difference between C2/4 6 spd and C2S/4S. Cabs and Tipos seem to be at least 20% less than manual coupes and often more....

P-track

Even for Germany 100k euro is overpriced. There is a strong market in Europe for aircooled right now because many consider it to be a safe investment with the Euro crisis still haunting. But his cars are way overpriced.

Neil Perry

Hi Alex,
Not sure about the Honda, but probably it is right.

The new Porsche Carrera 991 is $300,000.00 on the road

The GM Pontiac, that comes from Australia is about AUS $65K in Australia, what is it in the US?
An average 4 door Ford or GM, the typical family sedan is AUS$32K

You have to keep in mind a pair of Levis jeans in Australia is AUS$134.00 and in the US they are AUS$27.00, exactly the same jeans, Levis 505's.

So a 993 for AUS$100K is what it is.

Just to add to this price issue any parts price that is offered by an Australian Porsche Dealer we divide by three and that is the price from Pelican parts hence that is why we buy our 993 parts from the US.

Just to top it off, an average house in Sydney is AUS$700,000.00

Neil Perry

Macca,
That is interesting I can purchase a low Klm 993 manual coupe in NZ for $60K to $70K, WOW that is a good price.
Although, I think I will have to then pay some stupid tax to the Australian Government as import duty, plus 10% tax and on road stamp duty.

So I guess it probably puts the NZ 993 up around the same price as purchasing a 993 in Australia.

I look at the US 993 prices and think I could have 2 or 3 993's for the Australia price in the US.
Plus the cost of keeping it on the road, in the US would be so cheap.

Marc W.

Think about some details:

If a private person is looking for a 993 in the USA and has the wish to re-import it back to Germany you have to ad the following costs:

If you look for a normal 993 with medium mileage, it will cost about $35K, usually you have to spend some days in the USA to find a car with the options and conditions of your wish, including flight, hotel & car-rental the start-invest will be about $38K.
Now the car must find it's way to Germany, first step is to reach the east-coast, second step is the seaway to a german harbor. This part will cost about $3K incl. insurance.
Now the car must be declared to the german customs, at this point you have to pay 10% duty and 19% VAT on all costs untill this point (aside your own holiday in the USA):

car: $35K
transport: $3K
duty: $3,8K
VAT: $7,3K

Now we have a price of $52,1K (incl. flight/hotel) for a US-993, but you still have to change the bumpers, the chassis, the speedometer and the glasses of the headlights and indicators. The german end-prices for that $35K car will be about $58K (or €44K) and their is still no profit for a commercial-car-dealer.

This price of €44K is realistic for a german 993 on the same level like the $35K 993 in the USA.

I don't think so, the 993-prices are already rising since 10 years in europe, in the last two years they are stable. I think the value will rise again, if the crisis is over. At that point the enthusiasts have more courage to look for nice cars again.

TT-911

In 2007 this very same car came on the market and I went to see it. The rear fenders have been 'reworked' (rolled) to compensate for the spacers. This is, to me, is by far an 'original' car. Here the advert from '07. 99K for this car is crazy.

IXLR8

Neil, that sounds like the same BS pricing between US and Canadian pricing, and our dollar is at par.

Be it BMW motorcycle parts, Honda or Porsche car parts or tools, test and measurement equipment, I buy it all in the US. My Excel spreadsheet tells me I've saved 43% after all expenses.

IXLR8

But why base prices on the costs of importing unless there is such a shortage of cars. And if that is the case, cars for sale would be sold in an hour which they are not.

This price based on importing is how a local dealer justified his parts prices. I asked for a 10% discount and the dealer had to think about whether is was better making 38% of $0 or 28% of $1000....must have been tough math for him.

Marc W.

That's true, the market and the choice for good 993 is much bigger in the USA, than in Germany. Especially perfect 993 with low mileages are extremely rare in Germany, but even in Germany it needs time in the range above $100K.

f3nr15

Looking at carsales.com.au recently, there are fewer of these cars for sale now than at any time in the past 3 years. There's almost a separate market for low mileage C2 manual coupes - it's actually been close to a year now that I last saw a low km 964 version listed. Plus, there are more turbo 993 coupes than 993 C2 manual coupes available. Considering that fewer turbos were sold, that's got to be saying something about the desirability of the naturally aspirated cars.

Neil Perry

Hi Alex,
I have thought about your comment many times, it is better to give a discount and get the business.
I have a Porsche Dealer that gives me a discount, quite a bit, as I have purchased so many little bits from them.

But I think Porsche Australia and dealers keep there prices up as most of the parts would be sold as part of a service and the customer has no choice but to pay, Most Porsche's are owned by people that have to much money and have no idea how to service the cars, hence will Porsche Dealers get more service work if they drop the parts pricing..........No.
Then there is the non dealer Porsche specialist, their parts are generally cheaper than Porsche, but no where as cheap as the US.