C4S v TT
#33
Some people prefer the feel of an N/A power delivery as they wind it up, some prefer the feel of a turbo kick.
Some people like predictability at the limit, some like white knuckle whats-going-to-happen-next driving.
Some people like to admire the extra $$ in the bank. Some people like to admire the extra $$ in their garage.
Some only feel good if they have the highest level offered. Some feel they made a wise choice when they choose an "intermediate" level.
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Maybe answer some of those questions and see what you come up with...
I've never driven a TT. I'm one of those folks that if I drove it, I would talk myself into the TT being a requirement for me.
I have driven a C4S, and driven it in anger. Somehow, I think you'll be happy with your decision
Some people like predictability at the limit, some like white knuckle whats-going-to-happen-next driving.
Some people like to admire the extra $$ in the bank. Some people like to admire the extra $$ in their garage.
Some only feel good if they have the highest level offered. Some feel they made a wise choice when they choose an "intermediate" level.
...
Maybe answer some of those questions and see what you come up with...
I've never driven a TT. I'm one of those folks that if I drove it, I would talk myself into the TT being a requirement for me.
I have driven a C4S, and driven it in anger. Somehow, I think you'll be happy with your decision
#34
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JoeFromPA is right on the mark. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a normally aspirated 993. They are simply great automobiles. The 993TT takes you to a whole new level of performance, which can rarely be utilized, but is simply amazing when you do. The 993TT asks very little in return... maintenance costs are NOT appreciably higher, and the assisted clutch is kinda nice in traffic. They TT DOES get really crappy mileage... typically about 14mpg around town, and perhaps 21 or so on the open road. The original question was (paraphrasing because I'm too lazy to go back and look) "is the 993TT OK as a daily driver?"
The answer is YES!
The answer is YES!
#35
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Ha ...what a decision to "have" to make. Sorry you have to go through such a painful dilemma! ...yes, that is jealosy speaking
Just to clarify, the cool down of a driving a turbo can be done as you make your way to your driveway. I am on my 3rd turbo'd volvo (yeah, I know it aint a 993TT, but they are great cars ) and have simply made it a habit of making the last mile toward my home an easy, barely-off-idle approach. That is plenty of time for temps to come down and cooler oil to circulate through your turbines. When you're on the boost is when you're heating things up; stay off boost and your engine is none the hotter. Assuming you use a good synth oil, loafing in that last couple o' minutes is plenty fine to keep turbos healthy for a very long time.
And FWIW, I love my NA993 and would not trade it for a TT; truly! But if I could afford both, well...
BTW, just curious, to you TT owners: is MPG inherently worse compared to the NA, or worse only because you know you got and want to use it? Yes, this is a serious question.
Edward
Just to clarify, the cool down of a driving a turbo can be done as you make your way to your driveway. I am on my 3rd turbo'd volvo (yeah, I know it aint a 993TT, but they are great cars ) and have simply made it a habit of making the last mile toward my home an easy, barely-off-idle approach. That is plenty of time for temps to come down and cooler oil to circulate through your turbines. When you're on the boost is when you're heating things up; stay off boost and your engine is none the hotter. Assuming you use a good synth oil, loafing in that last couple o' minutes is plenty fine to keep turbos healthy for a very long time.
And FWIW, I love my NA993 and would not trade it for a TT; truly! But if I could afford both, well...
BTW, just curious, to you TT owners: is MPG inherently worse compared to the NA, or worse only because you know you got and want to use it? Yes, this is a serious question.
Edward
#36
Nordschleife Master
Edward asked:
"BTW, just curious, to you TT owners: is MPG inherently worse compared to the NA, or worse only because you know you got and want to use it? Yes, this is a serious question."
Here's the deal. The 993TT is a very low compression engine (8.0:1, I think) so when you are not on the boost it is simply inefficient, and uses more gas. Then when you DO get on the boost... well... it uses more gas. You can't win, except for the smiles.
"BTW, just curious, to you TT owners: is MPG inherently worse compared to the NA, or worse only because you know you got and want to use it? Yes, this is a serious question."
Here's the deal. The 993TT is a very low compression engine (8.0:1, I think) so when you are not on the boost it is simply inefficient, and uses more gas. Then when you DO get on the boost... well... it uses more gas. You can't win, except for the smiles.
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I concur that N/A vs. TT is really a personal preference. I went N/A myself since more power is quite price restrictive for an N/A 993 (keep myself in check), and I would fall ever farther down the slippery slope with a TT. I also wanted this vehicle to be wound out/engaging for me without "relatively" surpassing legal limits. Not to say the 993 TT lacks that, as it has much higher potential, but who doesn't like to put their foot into it every now and then? As for maintenance costs, I have also heard they are about the same (both run well if maintained regularly, $$ if not).
As for the turbo cool down issue, I had the older version of this on a previous Audi. The timer worked pretty well, and the bonus was an additional boost gauge if needed.
http://www.blitzpowerusa.com/product...v/fattadv.html
As for the turbo cool down issue, I had the older version of this on a previous Audi. The timer worked pretty well, and the bonus was an additional boost gauge if needed.
http://www.blitzpowerusa.com/product...v/fattadv.html
#38
Burning Brakes
I hate to go contrary to Steve, but I find that it isn't all that rare that I access the power that the tt delivers. I'm not talking about pushing the car to its limits, but just nailing the throttle in second gear would put a huge grin on the face of anyone reading this. Steve has 100 more hp than my car, so I can imagine the grin on his face. There is a secret handshake among us tt owners that you don't get with the NA cars. (said handshake not yet given to me yet for some reason) I owned 2 NA cars that I loved. I may buy another,
but I'll keep the tt. There really is no substitute.
but I'll keep the tt. There really is no substitute.
#39
I love my N/A C4S, and I wish it had more power at times, of course. But I also see that I'd seldom have much use for it in my congested big city metropolis. Most often, my car feels plenty powerful and even after all these years, it's still more car than I am driver.
I sure would enjoy the Turbo's extra power on those freeway onramps or early morning runs, but other than that, my N/A seldom feels lacking.
I sure would enjoy the Turbo's extra power on those freeway onramps or early morning runs, but other than that, my N/A seldom feels lacking.
#40
Drifting
As a TT owner I'm still under the impression maintenance costs will be more, maybe not by huge amounts but still higher overall due to certain components say the Turbos. Example, if anything happens to your Turbos, well that is a cost that would never occur on a NA. They can last long but they eventually need to be rebuilt and if they aren't cooled properly that's a whole other story too.
How about the valve cover gaskets that always seem to leak every "x" amount of years? To access them, you usually need to remove the Turbos = more labour $ . The accumulator is another additional item that is decent $ when replaced too. More labour $ always add up such as intercooler removal when servicing other items etc. We have additional preventatives costs such as the Turbo check valves etc.
Again not saying it's a huge cost difference if the car runs perfect without issues, but if your daily driving and putting on good miles, it possibly could be more $ vs a NA.
I'm a believer in more power, more stuff on the car, more $ to main and possibly fix.
How about the valve cover gaskets that always seem to leak every "x" amount of years? To access them, you usually need to remove the Turbos = more labour $ . The accumulator is another additional item that is decent $ when replaced too. More labour $ always add up such as intercooler removal when servicing other items etc. We have additional preventatives costs such as the Turbo check valves etc.
Again not saying it's a huge cost difference if the car runs perfect without issues, but if your daily driving and putting on good miles, it possibly could be more $ vs a NA.
I'm a believer in more power, more stuff on the car, more $ to main and possibly fix.
#41
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If I had a turbo I would be dead or in jail. Since my wife would kill me if I died or got put in jail I decided not to buy one. That and my budget was about $50k less than any I would want to buy.
#43
Nordschleife Master
Knight,
The clutch accumulator is a pretty minor expense, compared to the TT clutch slave cylinder, and you are right... there are some potential extra expenses with maintenance on the turbo. On the other hand... we rarely see any SAI issues like the NA cars, and we only have 6 plugs and 6 plug wires, instead of 12/12 and we don't have the extra belt to drive the second distributor. On the whole, the maintenance cost are NOT appreciably higher, as I stated in an earlier post.
The clutch accumulator is a pretty minor expense, compared to the TT clutch slave cylinder, and you are right... there are some potential extra expenses with maintenance on the turbo. On the other hand... we rarely see any SAI issues like the NA cars, and we only have 6 plugs and 6 plug wires, instead of 12/12 and we don't have the extra belt to drive the second distributor. On the whole, the maintenance cost are NOT appreciably higher, as I stated in an earlier post.
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Thanks for the reply, Steve ...makes sense!
Suffice it to say, I love my NA to pieces and would never trade it ...and even in my humble little 993 do grins and giggles come aplenty. Yet I would only surmise it would be multiplied with turbo'd gonads
Edward
Suffice it to say, I love my NA to pieces and would never trade it ...and even in my humble little 993 do grins and giggles come aplenty. Yet I would only surmise it would be multiplied with turbo'd gonads
Edward
#45
Burning Brakes
If money was not an issue I think everyone here would love the turbo over the NA. But given real life situations whether it's budget, craziness (like me who would keep upgrading the turbos, boost, etc until it blows), etc....... I can't imagine enthusiast like us would prefer a car that looks like a turbo and not have a turbo. My gt3 has plenty of power and I love every moment when I have the chance to gun it when there's n opportunity....again if I could, I would do it in a heartbeat......