993 vs 991 - A Visual Comparison.
09-03-2012, 05:02 PM
#46
I posted this on another thread but still applies here:With every new 911, the car is moving very quickly away from the 993 in terms of simplicity and pure driving experience. Yes the new 991 is a fantastic car but it is so modern and sophisticated, it only has the name and engine placement in common with the 993. Some Porsche owners are looking to capture the essence of the original cars but with the handling and ride of a slightly more modern car. This is where the 993 comes in. It has roots in the past with a few toes in the modern area, plus the styling is considered the pinnacle of Porsche design. With Porsche buyers old and new looking to buy a 993, the price drives up. In a recent poll here, the average age of owners is much lower than in the past, due to more affordable prices compared to 5-8 years ago. This helps to firm up the lower end of the market for first time buyers.
09-03-2012, 05:08 PM
#47
The 991 is a great GT. Nothing more, nothing less. It is not a sports car, as the older 911 used to be. Certainly the mantle of 'sports car' is more applicable to the Cayman than the current 991, which is clearly the direction Porsche is moving under VW ownership.
As time goes by, I suspect the Cayman will further replace the 911 as the marque's 'sports car' and the 911, from the 991 series and beyond, will continue to be a great luxury GT.
As time goes by, I suspect the Cayman will further replace the 911 as the marque's 'sports car' and the 911, from the 991 series and beyond, will continue to be a great luxury GT.
09-03-2012, 05:35 PM
#50
The 991 is a great GT. Nothing more, nothing less. It is not a sports car, as the older 911 used to be. Certainly the mantle of 'sports car' is more applicable to the Cayman than the current 991, which is clearly the direction Porsche is moving under VW ownership.
As time goes by, I suspect the Cayman will further replace the 911 as the marque's 'sports car' and the 911, from the 991 series and beyond, will continue to be a great luxury GT.
As time goes by, I suspect the Cayman will further replace the 911 as the marque's 'sports car' and the 911, from the 991 series and beyond, will continue to be a great luxury GT.
09-03-2012, 05:41 PM
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A 993.
Just kidding. I think the term "sports car" is defined by the user, not the car. Each person has their own definition of the term but, in general, I think a sports car is something that chases driving purity above all else and makes sacrifices/compromises in utilitarian purposes to obtain this purity. To what level is defined by the person using the term. Again, just my opinion.
Just kidding. I think the term "sports car" is defined by the user, not the car. Each person has their own definition of the term but, in general, I think a sports car is something that chases driving purity above all else and makes sacrifices/compromises in utilitarian purposes to obtain this purity. To what level is defined by the person using the term. Again, just my opinion.
09-03-2012, 10:47 PM
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In yesterdays Fifth Gear (UK Car Show) episode Tiff Needell (flagbearer of old-school traditions) puts the 991 C2S up against the 997 GT3. He says they feel equally quick, with the biggest difference being the ceramic brakes on the GT3.
In a head-to-head lap on their test circuit the GT3 fitted with race-tyres (and ceramic brakes) only beats it by 2 seconds, but Tiff can't tell which is faster when driving the lap... his conclusion is that the 991 is the best 911 ever, and he would choose this over any ferrari, superleggera etc...
In a head-to-head lap on their test circuit the GT3 fitted with race-tyres (and ceramic brakes) only beats it by 2 seconds, but Tiff can't tell which is faster when driving the lap... his conclusion is that the 991 is the best 911 ever, and he would choose this over any ferrari, superleggera etc...
09-03-2012, 10:55 PM
#55
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In yesterdays Fifth Gear (UK Car Show) episode Tiff Needell (flagbearer of old-school traditions) puts the 991 C2S up against the 997 GT3. He says they feel equally quick, with the biggest difference being the ceramic brakes on the GT3.
In a head-to-head lap on their test circuit the GT3 fitted with race-tyres (and ceramic brakes) only beats it by 2 seconds, but Tiff can't tell which is faster when driving the lap... his conclusion is that the 991 is the best 911 ever, and he would choose this over any ferrari, superleggera etc...
In a head-to-head lap on their test circuit the GT3 fitted with race-tyres (and ceramic brakes) only beats it by 2 seconds, but Tiff can't tell which is faster when driving the lap... his conclusion is that the 991 is the best 911 ever, and he would choose this over any ferrari, superleggera etc...
09-03-2012, 11:34 PM
#57
Drifting
The 991 looks great IMO esp those ADV pics posted with the upgrades suspension etc, compared to other modern day sports cars it would be my first pick. The more I look and see them on the road, I def like it much more vs the 997S hands down.
Of course on a 993 forum, most likely no one is going to be trading in their 993s for one. The MSRP is big $ now for a new 911 too.
Might be a re-post but Porsche is def doing something right, guess who is the winner:
Of course on a 993 forum, most likely no one is going to be trading in their 993s for one. The MSRP is big $ now for a new 911 too.
Might be a re-post but Porsche is def doing something right, guess who is the winner:
09-04-2012, 12:40 AM
#58
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The 991 is a great GT. Nothing more, nothing less. It is not a sports car, as the older 911 used to be. Certainly the mantle of 'sports car' is more applicable to the Cayman than the current 991, which is clearly the direction Porsche is moving under VW ownership.
As time goes by, I suspect the Cayman will further replace the 911 as the marque's 'sports car' and the 911, from the 991 series and beyond, will continue to be a great luxury GT.
As time goes by, I suspect the Cayman will further replace the 911 as the marque's 'sports car' and the 911, from the 991 series and beyond, will continue to be a great luxury GT.
09-04-2012, 12:50 AM
#59
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There is no comparison ... 
09-04-2012, 12:51 AM
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One really can't dispute the development the 911 has undergone over the models. Heck, I love my 82SC ...it's my Trackmeister and makes me feel like a hero driving it. But my 993 is most assuredly the easier car to hustle quickly and safely. Which is why I "retired" my 993 long ago from dual-role track/dailydriver into pure DD commuter duty. It's just easier and "funner" to drive quickly and have the requisite creature comforts that are necessasry ...yes, AC/HVAC, stereo, and non-denture-rattling suspension are necessary.
All the above can easily be shifted over to a discussion of 993 to 996. Everyone who has run both a 993 and 996 (on the track) knows the latter has the stiffer, "better" chassis. And then there are the host of other improvements. Fast forward to the 996 to 997 series. Then now to the 991. It's all the same story, different day. And frankly, it's not a bad thing. Each is different, to be sure, but not "bad" in any sense (ok, the 996 headlights and no waist was bad, but it had other virtues
). Our beloved marque earns its bragging rights in the car media, it gets raced to keep the breed ahead, and we all benefit by owning a slice of that glorious history. Legendary, even. All this to say Porsche's direction is what it is. So long as they keep making cars that kick automotive butt, I'm ok with it.
When Mustangs in the 70s were emasculated into 4 and 6 cylinder abominations whose only similarity to the real thing was a shiny horse emblem, then yes, cringe. But the "911" brand has not fallen to this fate. So I say, good for Porsche! I will never personally own a 996, 997, or 991 because I love the 993 for all that it is ...which we all here know needs no explanation. But I can respect and even admire each newer incarnation so long as it furthers the breed. And lets face it, the 911 today is no slouch
Edward
All the above can easily be shifted over to a discussion of 993 to 996. Everyone who has run both a 993 and 996 (on the track) knows the latter has the stiffer, "better" chassis. And then there are the host of other improvements. Fast forward to the 996 to 997 series. Then now to the 991. It's all the same story, different day. And frankly, it's not a bad thing. Each is different, to be sure, but not "bad" in any sense (ok, the 996 headlights and no waist was bad, but it had other virtues
). Our beloved marque earns its bragging rights in the car media, it gets raced to keep the breed ahead, and we all benefit by owning a slice of that glorious history. Legendary, even. All this to say Porsche's direction is what it is. So long as they keep making cars that kick automotive butt, I'm ok with it. When Mustangs in the 70s were emasculated into 4 and 6 cylinder abominations whose only similarity to the real thing was a shiny horse emblem, then yes, cringe. But the "911" brand has not fallen to this fate. So I say, good for Porsche! I will never personally own a 996, 997, or 991 because I love the 993 for all that it is ...which we all here know needs no explanation. But I can respect and even admire each newer incarnation so long as it furthers the breed. And lets face it, the 911 today is no slouch
Edward