Freak Out Alert: Riviera Blue Cab on Ebay
08-14-2012, 08:34 PM
#32
I listed the upgrades:
"The prior owner and I have upgraded the following (but include the original with the sale of the car):
- 18" Turbo Twists wheels with new Sumi III tires with about 200 miles on them. Steering rack brace support was added to support 18" wheels.
- Extra OEM black boot (versus standard grey)
- C4 Shifter
- Wide oval tips (originals included)"
I haven't talked a Rennlister, its all Germans at this point.
"The prior owner and I have upgraded the following (but include the original with the sale of the car):
- 18" Turbo Twists wheels with new Sumi III tires with about 200 miles on them. Steering rack brace support was added to support 18" wheels.
- Extra OEM black boot (versus standard grey)
- C4 Shifter
- Wide oval tips (originals included)"
I haven't talked a Rennlister, its all Germans at this point.
08-14-2012, 08:37 PM
#33
You're saying that, by looking at the pictures you can tell if the shocks need replaced? Can you explain how you came to that conclusion?
or are you just doing the math?
or are you just doing the math?
08-14-2012, 09:07 PM
#34
Banned
GLWS.
08-14-2012, 09:41 PM
#35
Shocks are replaced at the 30K service? What?
Ok time out. There is Rennlist and lots of Rennlisters like riding low and replacing their suspension for ride and visuals.
But, a 30k service doesn't automatically include a shock replacement. Also, there are people who don't care what ride height they are at, and
wouldn't replace their shocks until they were leaking, riding low, squeaking....some other reason than Rennlisters like it.
I may be wrong here, but my gut says we are confusing facts with preference.
Ok time out. There is Rennlist and lots of Rennlisters like riding low and replacing their suspension for ride and visuals.
But, a 30k service doesn't automatically include a shock replacement. Also, there are people who don't care what ride height they are at, and
wouldn't replace their shocks until they were leaking, riding low, squeaking....some other reason than Rennlisters like it.
I may be wrong here, but my gut says we are confusing facts with preference.
Well in fairness Tony it is riding at OEM height and your listing does not detail what maintenance has been done...I would assume a 1995 with 30K riding at factory height would need new shocks. If the shocks have been replaced, 30K service has been done, etc I would put that in the listing otherwise a lot of people will assume the opposite.
GLWS.
GLWS.
08-14-2012, 09:46 PM
#36
Rennlist Member
Shocks age even when not rolling down the road. If original they have 17/18 years on the fluids, valves, seals, bushings etc. Plus anything rubber down there is probably also in none optimal condition.
08-14-2012, 09:53 PM
#37
I'm not disagreeing with the reasons for replacing them, age and potential wear sure. I'm just confused by the automatic assumption it would without checking them out first.
I remember when I did the PPI last Oct, I asked the quality of the shocks and was told excellent. But on here, it's treated like an automatic cost, sure thing. As a buyer, you should verify but unless your planning on lowering anyway...might as well factor it in.
I remember when I did the PPI last Oct, I asked the quality of the shocks and was told excellent. But on here, it's treated like an automatic cost, sure thing. As a buyer, you should verify but unless your planning on lowering anyway...might as well factor it in.
Last edited by DALLWA; 08-14-2012 at 10:20 PM.
08-14-2012, 09:54 PM
#38
Rennlist Member
If I was in the market for a Rivi Blue with a black top, I wouldn't flinch at this one. If the grey top bugs that much, replace it with black at some point. It'd be a lot cheaper than a full Rivi Blue respray of a silver/white/black/whatever car with a black top!
GLWS! I hope you get $120,400!!!
08-14-2012, 10:00 PM
#39
I'm with you and thanks!
If someone doesn't buy the car because grey versus black top, doesn't sound like a cab is for them.
Top is down all summer and up in storage during winter.
I think the grey looks awesome. A little different than the other RB cabs I've seen. If you look at the ad, Tony shows a shot of the car with the top up (last photo).
If I was in the market for a Rivi Blue with a black top, I wouldn't flinch at this one. If the grey top bugs that much, replace it with black at some point. It'd be a lot cheaper than a full Rivi Blue respray of a silver/white/black/whatever car with a black top!
GLWS! I hope you get $120,400!!!
If someone doesn't buy the car because grey versus black top, doesn't sound like a cab is for them.
Top is down all summer and up in storage during winter.
If I was in the market for a Rivi Blue with a black top, I wouldn't flinch at this one. If the grey top bugs that much, replace it with black at some point. It'd be a lot cheaper than a full Rivi Blue respray of a silver/white/black/whatever car with a black top!
GLWS! I hope you get $120,400!!!
08-14-2012, 10:17 PM
#40
Rennlist Member
Only reference point is the complete opposite on my 4S--125K @ 12 years old. Car behaved perfectly fine as a street car, and even on track with Hoosiers I'd basically run equal with any Cayman S on similar tires that was running around here at the time. Not the most pleasant laps, but not undriveable by any stretch.
08-14-2012, 10:33 PM
#41
Race Director
I'm not disagreeing with the reasons for replacing them, age and potential wear sure. I'm just confused by the automatic assumption it would without checking them out first.
I remember when I did the PPI last Oct, I asked the quality of the shocks and was told excellent. But on here, it's treated like an automatic cost, sure thing. As a buyer, you should verify but unless your planning on lowering anyway...might as well factor it in.
I remember when I did the PPI last Oct, I asked the quality of the shocks and was told excellent. But on here, it's treated like an automatic cost, sure thing. As a buyer, you should verify but unless your planning on lowering anyway...might as well factor it in.
The original shocks are Monroe, crap (IMHO) on these cars. Best way to tell (w/out removing the shocks) is to look around the top of the shock for any signs of leakage, it may be fresh or may be dry but should be visible.
Most of us just don't like the ride height these things are set at from the factory, some need it due to road conditions. Unfortunately the only way to lower them is to replace the shocks. YMMV
GLWS
08-14-2012, 10:42 PM
#42
Rennlist Member
Shocks (or more correctly dampers) have nothing to do with ride height on these cars. (Yes, we can get into the extreme minority of situations where shaft length needs to be modified to get a desired result.)
08-14-2012, 10:47 PM
#43
Nordschleife Master
08-14-2012, 11:03 PM
#44
Banned
Well in fairness Tony it is riding at OEM height and your listing does not detail what maintenance has been done...I would assume a 1995 with 30K riding at factory height would need new shocks. If the shocks have been replaced, 30K service has been done, etc I would put that in the listing otherwise a lot of people will assume the opposite.
GLWS.
GLWS.
Shocks are replaced at the 30K service? What?
Ok time out. There is Rennlist and lots of Rennlisters like riding low and replacing their suspension for ride and visuals.
But, a 30k service doesn't automatically include a shock replacement. Also, there are people who don't care what ride height they are at, and
wouldn't replace their shocks until they were leaking, riding low, squeaking....some other reason than Rennlisters like it.
I may be wrong here, but my gut says we are confusing facts with preference.
Ok time out. There is Rennlist and lots of Rennlisters like riding low and replacing their suspension for ride and visuals.
But, a 30k service doesn't automatically include a shock replacement. Also, there are people who don't care what ride height they are at, and
wouldn't replace their shocks until they were leaking, riding low, squeaking....some other reason than Rennlisters like it.
I may be wrong here, but my gut says we are confusing facts with preference.
08-14-2012, 11:06 PM
#45
Shocks are replaced at the 30K service? What?
Ok time out. There is Rennlist and lots of Rennlisters like riding low and replacing their suspension for ride and visuals.
But, a 30k service doesn't automatically include a shock replacement. Also, there are people who don't care what ride height they are at, and
wouldn't replace their shocks until they were leaking, riding low, squeaking....some other reason than Rennlisters like it.
I may be wrong here, but my gut says we are confusing facts with preference.
Ok time out. There is Rennlist and lots of Rennlisters like riding low and replacing their suspension for ride and visuals.
But, a 30k service doesn't automatically include a shock replacement. Also, there are people who don't care what ride height they are at, and
wouldn't replace their shocks until they were leaking, riding low, squeaking....some other reason than Rennlisters like it.
I may be wrong here, but my gut says we are confusing facts with preference.