Pags993

Gonna get on that soon work has been absolutely nuts!! Aventurine Green on Tan, i get compliments on the colour combo every single time I drive it.

chaoscreature

A big plus if you get an earlier 95 or late 94 model is the 2nd gear is not welded to the mainshaft in the transmission. IF you decide to do a re-gear it will be a bit cheaper (still expensive) on the earlier transmissions. Why Porsche decided to weld both gears to the shaft later is absolutely beyond me.

Mike J

I do not think it's welded - it's machined as a single piece. Who knows?

jvmax

I went from a 1997 C2S to a 1995 C2. I sold the c2s for $38k and bought my 1995 for $22k. They both drive the same, no remote issues, no cai. My c2 actually has more options like supple leather, full leather and at the price point I bought it at, I was able to do pss10's, oem turbo wing and euro front bumper and I am still under $30k. All 993's are great cars, some are more rare than others but overall Porsche really didn't make too many so overall they are pretty exclusive and highly sought after.

77'3.6vram

[QUOTE=Mark in Baltimore;9754299]IIRC, the published 0 to 60 times of the '95 993 were the fastest of all the normally aspirated 993's. On the track, the varioram doesn't seem to make a difference in terms of lowering lap times.[/QUOTEwho

What publication?Please educate me. Everything I have puts the VRAM cars .4 sec faster 0 to 60. Four tenths of a second is nothing to sneeze at. In fact it's a Major Difference.

0 to 60 times

94'- 95' = 5.6 sec
96'- 98' = 5.2 sec

77'3.6vram

Quote from Excellence December 1995 page 57

"Compared to the previous manifold,the big gain comes between 2500 and 5000 RPM, with an 18% torque gain at the midpoint. This saves you 3 seconds in the 62-125 MPH overtaking effort in 5th gear."

Mark do you want to rethink your opinion about the VRAM on the track?

Bill Verburg

FWIW I agree that non vram is the way to go for track use, these manifolds are lighter, simpler and when you are between 5k and 7k rpm they produce very close to the same power, plus they make it so much easier to do any work in the engine compartment

I'm seriously considering swapping my vram and non-vram manifolds

77'3.6vram

Bill, the discussion was about 993's the way they left the factory.I do not believe the OP was asking about highly modified cars. If the OP wanted to track the car the CEL/emissions would not be relevant to the discussion. The factory used the plastic manifold on all 3.8 cup cars for exactly the reasons you have stated above. That fact was never contested by me. If the OP is concerned about a 15K top end job they sure are not going to spring to modify the existing 3.6 to safely rev up to 7000RPM.

Again as posted in Excellence 0 to 60 times
94'-95'= 5.6 (plastic intake, hydraulic lifters)
95'RS = 5.0. (VRAM intake, hydraulic lifters)
96'-98' = 5.2 (VRAM intake, hydraulic lifters)
993 cup = 4.7. (plastic intake,solid lifters) not street legal

996scott

Basket handles rock! Didn't think I would really like it when I bought my 95 but now I love it. I love not having the immobilized. I have heard nothing but problems about it. I don't think the 12 hp difference is a big deal at all. My last porsche had 300hp and I think my 95 is a lot funnier to drive. You can always add a chip to help increase the mid range torque. You will love whatever you end up getting, but if you are really worried about the emissions then look for a 95.

77'3.6vram

Bill , In post #7 you said the " VRAM will be much torquier in daily driving". You seem to be willing to contradict yourself in order to discredit me. I believe you have stated in the past that your RS clone may be taken off the road and used exclusively for track work.Am I mistaken? Have I misquoted you or Excellence magazine or is it something personal?

skywachr

My 97 is a daily driver and I love it. I would have to say that a significant percentage of my pleasure in driving the car everyday back and forth to work comes from the "torquiness" that the presence of the Varioram brings to the driving experience. I've driven very nicely set up '95s and, for me, the experience in that particular regard is not the same. Still nice, but not the same.

CorrdoBrit

Personally I've never really liked the variable intake systems and how they deliver their sudden jump in power. This was true for the VTEC in a S2000 I test drove before getting the 993 and in my old 2005 E46 M3. Not sure if the 993 VRAM system is as abrupt since I have a non-VRAM '95.

Bill Verburg

So sensitive
Yes, i'd rather have vram on my daily driver where the engine in driven in the lower and middle rpm ranges most of the time and yes, i'd rather have non-vram on my track car where it is at high rpm all the time

wjk_glynn

Here's a list of 964 & 993 instrumented test result I put together a few years back...

http://www.weissach.net/964-993_RoadTestSummary.html

Karl.

77'3.6vram

Thanks Karl. Your numbers or mine the 96'-98' VRAM cars get to 60MPH three or four tenths of a second faster than 94'-95' non-VRAM cars. Mark where are you? As for your 964 numbers it is wildly acknowledged that they are not faster in the 0 to 60 or 60 to 125 than any 993.It is also clear that all the C4's and C4S's are slower, contrary to Porsches claims.