1995 v later 993
#61
Rennlist Member
IIRC, the published 0 to 60 times of the '95 993 were the fastest of all the normally aspirated 993's. On the track, the varioram doesn't seem to make a difference in terms of lowering lap times.[/QUOTEwho
What publication?Please educate me. Everything I have puts the VRAM cars .4 sec faster 0 to 60. Four tenths of a second is nothing to sneeze at. In fact it's a Major Difference.
0 to 60 times
94'- 95' = 5.6 sec
96'- 98' = 5.2 sec
What publication?Please educate me. Everything I have puts the VRAM cars .4 sec faster 0 to 60. Four tenths of a second is nothing to sneeze at. In fact it's a Major Difference.
0 to 60 times
94'- 95' = 5.6 sec
96'- 98' = 5.2 sec
Quote from Excellence December 1995 page 57
"Compared to the previous manifold,the big gain comes between 2500 and 5000 RPM, with an 18% torque gain at the midpoint. This saves you 3 seconds in the 62-125 MPH overtaking effort in 5th gear."
Mark do you want to rethink your opinion about the VRAM on the track?
"Compared to the previous manifold,the big gain comes between 2500 and 5000 RPM, with an 18% torque gain at the midpoint. This saves you 3 seconds in the 62-125 MPH overtaking effort in 5th gear."
Mark do you want to rethink your opinion about the VRAM on the track?
Bill , In post #7 you said the " VRAM will be much torquier in daily driving". You seem to be willing to contradict yourself in order to discredit me. I believe you have stated in the past that your RS clone may be taken off the road and used exclusively for track work.Am I mistaken? Have I misquoted you or Excellence magazine or is it something personal?
Thanks Karl. Your numbers or mine the 96'-98' VRAM cars get to 60MPH three or four tenths of a second faster than 94'-95' non-VRAM cars. Mark where are you? As for your 964 numbers it is wildly acknowledged that they are not faster in the 0 to 60 or 60 to 125 than any 993.It is also clear that all the C4's and C4S's are slower, contrary to Porsches claims.
#66
#68
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#69
What has happened to this board as of late? Someone posts a question asking about what year 993 is best for his particular (CA) application, and folks have turned this into a pecker contest. RL is far better than this- We all just saw how our commmunity pulled together for our brother Chuck. I am a member of several boards of several makes, and I only pay for membership for two. RL is one of them, as I believe the information, the cars, and the folks here are worth the privilege.
#70
Race Car
Buy the car with the best maintenance and condition. Porsches are designed to perform well at the real track, not the drag strip. If 0-60 times are what's important to you, don't buy a Porsche. Lots and lots of cars are faster in that measurement. Go get a Viper or something, it will suit your personality better. Or better yet, go stand at the red light and just show other drivers how big your package is...
Vram would be nice to have. But 99% of the time driving around town, you're not going to feel it. (Only comes into play at close to full throttle.) At a track like Sebring, you might get a little boost over a non-vram car coming out of 13 and maybe 16 (seems to be where I'm short on gearing,) but I've yet to have one pull on me.
Vram would be nice to have. But 99% of the time driving around town, you're not going to feel it. (Only comes into play at close to full throttle.) At a track like Sebring, you might get a little boost over a non-vram car coming out of 13 and maybe 16 (seems to be where I'm short on gearing,) but I've yet to have one pull on me.
#71
It must really bother you guys that I can afford my hobby with Dyslexia. Why else would you all continue bullying me about spelling and grammar.They both clearly understand what I am writing.Their jealousy is obvious.
#72
Rennlist Member
Buy the car with the best maintenance and condition. Porsches are designed to perform well at the real track, not the drag strip. If 0-60 times are what's important to you, don't buy a Porsche. Lots and lots of cars are faster in that measurement. Go get a Viper or something, it will suit your personality better. Or better yet, go stand at the red light and just show other drivers how big your package is...
Vram would be nice to have. But 99% of the time driving around town, you're not going to feel it. (Only comes into play at close to full throttle.) At a track like Sebring, you might get a little boost over a non-vram car coming out of 13 and maybe 16 (seems to be where I'm short on gearing,) but I've yet to have one pull on me.
Vram would be nice to have. But 99% of the time driving around town, you're not going to feel it. (Only comes into play at close to full throttle.) At a track like Sebring, you might get a little boost over a non-vram car coming out of 13 and maybe 16 (seems to be where I'm short on gearing,) but I've yet to have one pull on me.
If nothing other than to avoid "vram".
#73
Addicted Specialist
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Rennlist Member
The only "bullying" that is going on here is yours.
The retorts you are currently facing are due only as reaction to your inability to accept objective data published by multiple sources. Yet you doggedly (that's being polite) insist you are "right." Then follow that up with others here are wrong. And in this stubbord vein, you "call out" a member here (yes, that's bullying), then collectively dismiss publications that somehow do not meet your personal criteria of accuracy. Throwing in a wonderful indictment that "American mags" have no credibility.
And what have you produced? Facts? Data? Anything beyond your boisterous behavior couched in the childish "oh yeah?" tone? No. You've provided nothing substantive or otherwise worth discussing. And now that you've painted yourself into the corner of your own making, you lash back taking the victim's role. Nice ...truly the behavior of the one unwilling to accept the responsibility of one's own words and actions.
It is you who have no credibility, but I don't need to demonstrate that: your words and responses have accomplished that perfectly well. You were afforded many opportunities that I can see on this thread to avoid the pitfall you were creating for yourself, but alas, your Pride has done you in.
May I take this moment to personally Thank You all here who have tried to exercise patience and inclusion, despite the landmines sown here. This board still is the excellent board it was years ago, IMHO. If anything, it reminds me to never let the actions of one errant individual taint what is, on the whole, a community of kind, generous, and smart enthusiasts. To Chris Walrod's signature line:
...and now, cordially moving on, friends
Edward
#74
Banned
As for 0-60 times - hell if I know. My '95 993 C4 moves right along. On the street or the track...
Have a nice day...
John D.
#75
I am the only one to post actual quotes from Porsches own Press Kits regarding the VRAM intake system. The 18% gain in midrange power from 2500RPM is what? My speculation?Read the whole post before you open your mouth.
Last edited by 77'3.6vram; 08-12-2012 at 06:34 PM. Reason: Directed at Edward, not you John.Thanks for stoping the Bullying.Not!