Why does the 996 seem to be cheaper than the 993?
02-18-2012, 07:08 PM
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02-18-2012, 07:45 PM
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Ok. You're stuck in Bogota, Columbia and you need to drive to an airport on the other side of the country to get a plane out. You go to the only rental car place in sight and they have two cars available for the same rate: .. a brand new Hundai OR a Silver/black '99 996 with 100K miles on it .. which car do you rent?
same situation, but with a 993...still hyundai.
02-18-2012, 08:17 PM
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02-19-2012, 12:41 AM
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I have never owned, or even driven a 996. I went from a bunch of Porsches over many years, including a 95' 993 which I sold to buy a new 09' C2S. I have a Porsche for only one reason....pleasure. I sold that new 997 to go back to a much older tech, slower 993 because it gave me more pleasure than the newer car. The pleasure included the bottom hinged pedals (probably because my first car was a VW bug with a wood gear shift handle and an Empi exhaust), the lovely dash board That hadn't changed mush in 30 some years. In short, it was the car I wanted painfully for too many years. There probably is no
measurement that would not make the 997 a superior car to the 993, except that you
can't measure my pleasure, or yours either. Some of us think the 993 is something very special. Others see it as just another Porsche along a line of 911's that improve with each model. Both are correct. Drive them all and measure your pleasure. It is best to figure this out early so you don't have to buy so many Porsches. Figuring out which Porsche to buy is the best kind of problem to have........Chris
measurement that would not make the 997 a superior car to the 993, except that you
can't measure my pleasure, or yours either. Some of us think the 993 is something very special. Others see it as just another Porsche along a line of 911's that improve with each model. Both are correct. Drive them all and measure your pleasure. It is best to figure this out early so you don't have to buy so many Porsches. Figuring out which Porsche to buy is the best kind of problem to have........Chris
02-19-2012, 01:11 AM
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Quadcammer,
100% honest here. I have never heard a single person describe the 993 as "goofy".Never. Even the people I know that don't love Porsches, nor cars for that matter.
100% honest here. I have never heard a single person describe the 993 as "goofy".Never. Even the people I know that don't love Porsches, nor cars for that matter.
well this thread went pretty much as expected.
To the OP: DRIVE THEM. Drive a 993, drive a torsion bar 911, drive the 964, drive the 996, and drive the 997. Sometimes when you drive your childhood dream cars, you end up being disappointed.
Both the 993 and the 996 have their strong points and their weak points. Some people think the 993 is goofy looking and the 996 looks great and vice versa. They didn't sell many thousands of 996s because they are a god awful hideous car.
I don't love the interior or headlights of the cars either (particularly the early cars), but a later model c4s with a full leather interior is really a very nice car.
As for the durability or reliability concerns, both are really quite expensive to repair, and both can cost you $6k+ at the drop of a hat. If you get a 996, get an IMS bearing replaced with a quality aftermarket part.
Once you drive them all, you may realize that an aircooled 911 isn't for you. The specialness that you read about above is, to me, way overblown.
Best of luck in your decision.
To the OP: DRIVE THEM. Drive a 993, drive a torsion bar 911, drive the 964, drive the 996, and drive the 997. Sometimes when you drive your childhood dream cars, you end up being disappointed.
Both the 993 and the 996 have their strong points and their weak points. Some people think the 993 is goofy looking and the 996 looks great and vice versa. They didn't sell many thousands of 996s because they are a god awful hideous car.
I don't love the interior or headlights of the cars either (particularly the early cars), but a later model c4s with a full leather interior is really a very nice car.
As for the durability or reliability concerns, both are really quite expensive to repair, and both can cost you $6k+ at the drop of a hat. If you get a 996, get an IMS bearing replaced with a quality aftermarket part.
Once you drive them all, you may realize that an aircooled 911 isn't for you. The specialness that you read about above is, to me, way overblown.
Best of luck in your decision.
02-19-2012, 01:36 AM
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02-19-2012, 06:37 AM
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Funny to come back a day later and see:
Uh, what track? Yeah, my RS if fake, but it's close enough to the real thing to call it even in the hands of an amateur. I've yet to have any 997 GT3 (Mk 1/Mk 2/RS) significantly quicker than me (if at all) at Thunderhill. In pro hands, like when Van Overbeck has tested them, he's maybe 3 sec/lap quicker than me on RA1s. (Even look at lap times from any generation of Cups on slicks in competition--maybe 1:53-54 v. my 2:01.) There's a LOT of car in the later generations--most owners have no clue how to exploit more than what's available in a 964RS level car.
Uh, what track? Yeah, my RS if fake, but it's close enough to the real thing to call it even in the hands of an amateur. I've yet to have any 997 GT3 (Mk 1/Mk 2/RS) significantly quicker than me (if at all) at Thunderhill. In pro hands, like when Van Overbeck has tested them, he's maybe 3 sec/lap quicker than me on RA1s. (Even look at lap times from any generation of Cups on slicks in competition--maybe 1:53-54 v. my 2:01.) There's a LOT of car in the later generations--most owners have no clue how to exploit more than what's available in a 964RS level car.
Recalling your past videos, you are indeed a good driver
02-19-2012, 03:12 PM
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You can actually get 997s in the price range of some 993s. I think that a 996 is a great car and would not mind owning a turbo or GT3.
02-19-2012, 03:43 PM
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Excuse the double post, but just viewed the video and Siefeld's comment about simplicity is right on. I find it remarkable how enjoyable my 15 year old 993 is to drive w/o much of the "technology" that has been developed these past few years.
02-19-2012, 07:27 PM
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well this thread went pretty much as expected.
To the OP: DRIVE THEM. Drive a 993, drive a torsion bar 911, drive the 964, drive the 996, and drive the 997. Sometimes when you drive your childhood dream cars, you end up being disappointed.
Both the 993 and the 996 have their strong points and their weak points. Some people think the 993 is goofy looking and the 996 looks great and vice versa. They didn't sell many thousands of 996s because they are a god awful hideous car.
I don't love the interior or headlights of the cars either (particularly the early cars), but a later model c4s with a full leather interior is really a very nice car.
As for the durability or reliability concerns, both are really quite expensive to repair, and both can cost you $6k+ at the drop of a hat. If you get a 996, get an IMS bearing replaced with a quality aftermarket part.
Once you drive them all, you may realize that an aircooled 911 isn't for you. The specialness that you read about above is, to me, way overblown.
Best of luck in your decision.
To the OP: DRIVE THEM. Drive a 993, drive a torsion bar 911, drive the 964, drive the 996, and drive the 997. Sometimes when you drive your childhood dream cars, you end up being disappointed.
Both the 993 and the 996 have their strong points and their weak points. Some people think the 993 is goofy looking and the 996 looks great and vice versa. They didn't sell many thousands of 996s because they are a god awful hideous car.
I don't love the interior or headlights of the cars either (particularly the early cars), but a later model c4s with a full leather interior is really a very nice car.
As for the durability or reliability concerns, both are really quite expensive to repair, and both can cost you $6k+ at the drop of a hat. If you get a 996, get an IMS bearing replaced with a quality aftermarket part.
Once you drive them all, you may realize that an aircooled 911 isn't for you. The specialness that you read about above is, to me, way overblown.
Best of luck in your decision.
02-19-2012, 08:43 PM
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Here is a list of Ring times. Look at around the 8:03 mins area and you will see a 911 GT3 with 360 PS, so I guess its a 996. And look further down at the 8:20 area and you will see 993 GT3(RS?) driven by Walter Roehrl recorded by Car mag.
If you look at 7:43 area Walter Roerhl is using a 996 GT3 RS. So that is nearly 40 secs faster with the same driver.
Interesting compilation of Ring times
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?fID...3&viewThread=y
BTW, I still love my 993. But given a choice, a RS for me.
If you look at 7:43 area Walter Roerhl is using a 996 GT3 RS. So that is nearly 40 secs faster with the same driver.
Interesting compilation of Ring times
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?fID...3&viewThread=y
BTW, I still love my 993. But given a choice, a RS for me.
02-19-2012, 09:14 PM
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I owned a 996 for ten years and really loved it. I had no issues at all with RMS/IMS. It was smooth, fast, easy to handle at high speeds, etc, etc. It was pretty stock with the exception of the ROW 030 suspension that i put on after a couple of years which made it handle much better. All in all I really loved the car. The one thing I didn't love about it was the "look" of it. It just didn't have that aggressive/mean look to it. It was more like a luxury car that happened to be fast and handled well. Then I bought my 993 one month ago and I can say they are completely different. The 993 to me has that aggressive, mean, bad *** look to it that says "sports car". My 993 has Bilstein coilover suspension so it is lowered and handles better than the 996. That may be part of it. But for me the 993 is a true sports car for a Porsche enthusiast. Maybe that is why they had held their value better. Just my .02
02-19-2012, 09:27 PM
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accept it, its not for everyone.