OT: Need help with classic car emissions
#1
Racer
Thread Starter
OT: Need help with classic car emissions
I need to tap the awesome array of talent and automotive expertise that regularly posts on this board (is that enough brown-nosing for you guys?).
I have a '63 Austin-Healey BJ7 that I to gave my wife for her ##'th birthday (she won't let me post her actual age). I live in a metro area that is currently on the EPA's air quality s**tlist . So, we get all the wonderful benefits of oxygenated fuel and draconian annual vehicle inspections, which apparently also apply to vehicles built during the Kennedy administration. As a result, I can't get the Healey through the emissions portion of the inspection. I replaced the plugs, points cap and rotor and leaned all three carbs out until the car barely ran, and still failed the hydrocarbon portion of the test by 200%.
So, do any of you have any suggestions for getting this car through the emissions test?
Moving somewhere else is not an option at this time. But it sure is tempting.
I have a '63 Austin-Healey BJ7 that I to gave my wife for her ##'th birthday (she won't let me post her actual age). I live in a metro area that is currently on the EPA's air quality s**tlist . So, we get all the wonderful benefits of oxygenated fuel and draconian annual vehicle inspections, which apparently also apply to vehicles built during the Kennedy administration. As a result, I can't get the Healey through the emissions portion of the inspection. I replaced the plugs, points cap and rotor and leaned all three carbs out until the car barely ran, and still failed the hydrocarbon portion of the test by 200%.
So, do any of you have any suggestions for getting this car through the emissions test?
Moving somewhere else is not an option at this time. But it sure is tempting.
#2
Nordschleife Master
Wow. Your state expects cars that were never built to pass any particular emissions standards to pass some pre-determned standard? There MUST be some way to get an old car around these regulations... it simply makes no sense. BTW... I have owned two Healey 3000s... a BJ7 and a BJ8. I loved owning them, but I didn't much care for driving them. What a classic shape! Good luck.
#4
Nordschleife Master
#5
I've owned a Healy, 1959 100-6, and yes is slurped a lot of fuel. can you retrofit (temporarily of course) an intake form another British car , maybe a old sedan that has a single throat carburettor?
Just a thought... and good luck, this law really sucks!
Bert
Just a thought... and good luck, this law really sucks!
Bert
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#8
Racer
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Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. Here's the main problem, as I see it: The State of Tennessee does have an exemption for classic or antique cars. However, the City of Memphis has a much more strict city ordinance in place, which apparently supersedes the state law. The ordinance was put in place in an effort to comply with EPA air quality standards, with no wording in it that addresses classic or antique cars. And there is absolutely no sympathy in the bureaucracy for "car guys".
What is y'all's opinion of this idea: I buy a used catalytic converter and make up a temporary exhaust system solely for the purpose of passing the emissions test. Think it'll work?
What is y'all's opinion of this idea: I buy a used catalytic converter and make up a temporary exhaust system solely for the purpose of passing the emissions test. Think it'll work?
#9
Rennlist Member
Regretfully, no. It will probably foul the "cat" in no time. I can't believe you're the only person in Memphis with this problem. You need to investigate what other owners of antique/classic/sports cars are doing. Check with the various local owner's clubs or find a "relative" outside of Shelby County!
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Curious on why would not the cat work? It only has to work from the garage to the emissions station and back. I have had smoking engines working on cats that lasted for months scrubbing the crap out, and I know because the vehicle passed emissions.
Cheers
Mike
Cheers
Mike
#12
Instructor
I would register it as antique and only drive it on weekends.... you don't need an emissions test in Memphis for a vehicle with Antique registration.
Under state law, "general transportation" is not considered to be weekend driving. Under the Memphis ordinance "general transportation" it is not defined. I would not hesitate to use the definition in the state law.
City of Memphis Ordinance.
Sec. 21-301 The following definitions shall apply to this article:
(2) Antique motor vehicle is any motor vehicle over twenty-five years old which is owned solely as a collectors’ item and is used for participation in club activities, exhibits, tours, parades and similar uses, but in no event for general transportation.
Sec. 21-306 Exemptions from Motor Vehicle Emission Requirements(
(1) The following classes of motor vehicles are exempt from the emission requirements established in Sections 21-304 and 21-305 of this Chapter:
a) Antique motor vehicles with antique registration;
b) Electric powered light-duty vehicles;
c) Motorcycles;
d) Motor scooters;
e) New motor vehicles registered for first time.
f) Tactical military vehicles;
g) Vehicles over 26,000 GVWR
Per Tennessee Code Ann. § 55-4-111, a person may register a vehicle as an
“antique motor vehicle” providing that certain requirements are satisfied. The vehicle:
• Must be a motor vehicle over twenty-five (25) years old and have a non-modified engine and body,
• Can be used for participation in, or transportation to and from, club activities, exhibits, tours,
parades, and similar uses as a collector’s item,
• Can only be used for general transportation on Saturday and Sunday, and
• Can be used on any day for the purpose of selling, vehicle testing, or obtaining repairs to or doing
maintenance on the vehicle.
Under state law, "general transportation" is not considered to be weekend driving. Under the Memphis ordinance "general transportation" it is not defined. I would not hesitate to use the definition in the state law.
City of Memphis Ordinance.
Sec. 21-301 The following definitions shall apply to this article:
(2) Antique motor vehicle is any motor vehicle over twenty-five years old which is owned solely as a collectors’ item and is used for participation in club activities, exhibits, tours, parades and similar uses, but in no event for general transportation.
Sec. 21-306 Exemptions from Motor Vehicle Emission Requirements(
(1) The following classes of motor vehicles are exempt from the emission requirements established in Sections 21-304 and 21-305 of this Chapter:
a) Antique motor vehicles with antique registration;
b) Electric powered light-duty vehicles;
c) Motorcycles;
d) Motor scooters;
e) New motor vehicles registered for first time.
f) Tactical military vehicles;
g) Vehicles over 26,000 GVWR
Per Tennessee Code Ann. § 55-4-111, a person may register a vehicle as an
“antique motor vehicle” providing that certain requirements are satisfied. The vehicle:
• Must be a motor vehicle over twenty-five (25) years old and have a non-modified engine and body,
• Can be used for participation in, or transportation to and from, club activities, exhibits, tours,
parades, and similar uses as a collector’s item,
• Can only be used for general transportation on Saturday and Sunday, and
• Can be used on any day for the purpose of selling, vehicle testing, or obtaining repairs to or doing
maintenance on the vehicle.
#14
Burning Brakes
I would register it as antique and only drive it on weekends.... you don't need an emissions test in Memphis for a vehicle with Antique registration.
Under state law, "general transportation" is not considered to be weekend driving. Under the Memphis ordinance "general transportation" it is not defined. I would not hesitate to use the definition in the state law.
City of Memphis Ordinance.
Sec. 21-301 The following definitions shall apply to this article:
(2) Antique motor vehicle is any motor vehicle over twenty-five years old which is owned solely as a collectors’ item and is used for participation in club activities, exhibits, tours, parades and similar uses, but in no event for general transportation.
Sec. 21-306 Exemptions from Motor Vehicle Emission Requirements(
(1) The following classes of motor vehicles are exempt from the emission requirements established in Sections 21-304 and 21-305 of this Chapter:
a) Antique motor vehicles with antique registration;
b) Electric powered light-duty vehicles;
c) Motorcycles;
d) Motor scooters;
e) New motor vehicles registered for first time.
f) Tactical military vehicles;
g) Vehicles over 26,000 GVWR
Per Tennessee Code Ann. § 55-4-111, a person may register a vehicle as an
“antique motor vehicle” providing that certain requirements are satisfied. The vehicle:
• Must be a motor vehicle over twenty-five (25) years old and have a non-modified engine and body,
• Can be used for participation in, or transportation to and from, club activities, exhibits, tours,
parades, and similar uses as a collector’s item,
• Can only be used for general transportation on Saturday and Sunday, and
• Can be used on any day for the purpose of selling, vehicle testing, or obtaining repairs to or doing
maintenance on the vehicle.
Under state law, "general transportation" is not considered to be weekend driving. Under the Memphis ordinance "general transportation" it is not defined. I would not hesitate to use the definition in the state law.
City of Memphis Ordinance.
Sec. 21-301 The following definitions shall apply to this article:
(2) Antique motor vehicle is any motor vehicle over twenty-five years old which is owned solely as a collectors’ item and is used for participation in club activities, exhibits, tours, parades and similar uses, but in no event for general transportation.
Sec. 21-306 Exemptions from Motor Vehicle Emission Requirements(
(1) The following classes of motor vehicles are exempt from the emission requirements established in Sections 21-304 and 21-305 of this Chapter:
a) Antique motor vehicles with antique registration;
b) Electric powered light-duty vehicles;
c) Motorcycles;
d) Motor scooters;
e) New motor vehicles registered for first time.
f) Tactical military vehicles;
g) Vehicles over 26,000 GVWR
Per Tennessee Code Ann. § 55-4-111, a person may register a vehicle as an
“antique motor vehicle” providing that certain requirements are satisfied. The vehicle:
• Must be a motor vehicle over twenty-five (25) years old and have a non-modified engine and body,
• Can be used for participation in, or transportation to and from, club activities, exhibits, tours,
parades, and similar uses as a collector’s item,
• Can only be used for general transportation on Saturday and Sunday, and
• Can be used on any day for the purpose of selling, vehicle testing, or obtaining repairs to or doing
maintenance on the vehicle.
#15
Burning Brakes
3Healey,
Best of luck trying to work this out, I really hope that this is not a precursor to what's coming for everyone else.
It sounds like members of the Corvette clubs etc have had the same problem.
I think it's ridiculous that you would need to register your car as a "classic" and be limited to driving it on weekends. Try running some higher octane fuel and if you want a catalytic converter PM me and I will get you a good deal on one, I just need your exhaust specs and engine size. We (magnaflow) have some high flow cats that will get you through this without making much of an impact on your exhaust flow.
Best of luck trying to work this out, I really hope that this is not a precursor to what's coming for everyone else.
It sounds like members of the Corvette clubs etc have had the same problem.
I think it's ridiculous that you would need to register your car as a "classic" and be limited to driving it on weekends. Try running some higher octane fuel and if you want a catalytic converter PM me and I will get you a good deal on one, I just need your exhaust specs and engine size. We (magnaflow) have some high flow cats that will get you through this without making much of an impact on your exhaust flow.