993 vs. mazda cx9??
10-25-2011, 06:19 PM
#47
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Hello,
My membership to Rennlist has paid off in more ways than I can imagine since I can now dispense with both The Economist and my radar detector.
I'm sure you all remember Prof Porsche's answer when shown around a Porsche meet with row upon row of shiny, perfectly maintained, spotless cars: ( and I paraphrase )- It makes me sad, I built these cars to be driven. Slow or fast, enjoy your car!
I love my 993 because it connects to me in ways other, faster, 911s do not. The 993 is the ultimate symbiosis of dream and sparse manufacture. It is the genetical evolution of the English garage-built idea placed in German hands. Every time I drive, I can feel the shudder of the metal skin as it shivers through every gear change, hear the mechanical rasp right behind me.
This is not a car, it is an extension of me, rendered human by the very hands that put it together, this very last air/oil cooled machine of mine. It is elegant and timeless. Comparing it to a CX9 is much like saying that you timed a Casio against your Vacheron Constantin and found the latter wanting.
My membership to Rennlist has paid off in more ways than I can imagine since I can now dispense with both The Economist and my radar detector.
I'm sure you all remember Prof Porsche's answer when shown around a Porsche meet with row upon row of shiny, perfectly maintained, spotless cars: ( and I paraphrase )- It makes me sad, I built these cars to be driven. Slow or fast, enjoy your car!
I love my 993 because it connects to me in ways other, faster, 911s do not. The 993 is the ultimate symbiosis of dream and sparse manufacture. It is the genetical evolution of the English garage-built idea placed in German hands. Every time I drive, I can feel the shudder of the metal skin as it shivers through every gear change, hear the mechanical rasp right behind me.
This is not a car, it is an extension of me, rendered human by the very hands that put it together, this very last air/oil cooled machine of mine. It is elegant and timeless. Comparing it to a CX9 is much like saying that you timed a Casio against your Vacheron Constantin and found the latter wanting.
10-25-2011, 09:29 PM
#48
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Hello,
I love getting on Rennlist, I really do. I seem to not only learn about cars, but also about geo-politics and social standards. Some people like to drive their cars fast other think them idiots for doing so. I have always wondered what fast means on public roads. Is 30 fast in a school zone, or is 100 fast on the highway. Maybe Niles13 can enlighten us.
I learned Germans are disciplined, although less so then 20 years ago, but it is all for naught because spend-free Greeks are taking away their savings (right Alex?). Maybe they're exacting payment for the free culture transfer over the first 1500 years or so
My membership to Rennlist has paid off in more ways than I can imagine since I can now dispense with both The Economist and my radar detector.
Now back to the subject at hand, I submit that it is less a question of whether a CX9 or Cx7 or whatever other SUV, or Japanese family car can/may embarrass a bona-fide Porschaah, but more a question of what you get out of it.
I'm sure you all remember Prof Porsche's answer when shown around a Porsche meet with row upon row of shiny, perfectly maintained, spotless cars: ( and I paraphrase )- It makes me sad, I built these cars to be driven. Slow or fast, enjoy your car!
I love my 993 because it connects to me in ways other, faster, 911s do not. The 993 is the ultimate symbiosis of dream and sparse manufacture. It is the genetical evolution of the English garage-built idea placed in German hands. Every time I drive, I can feel the shudder of the metal skin as it shivers through every gear change, hear the mechanical rasp right behind me.
This is not a car, it is an extension of me, rendered human by the very hands that put it together, this very last air/oil cooled machine of mine. It is elegant and timeless. Comparing it to a CX9 is much like saying that you timed a Casio against your Vacheron Constantin and found the latter wanting.
I love getting on Rennlist, I really do. I seem to not only learn about cars, but also about geo-politics and social standards. Some people like to drive their cars fast other think them idiots for doing so. I have always wondered what fast means on public roads. Is 30 fast in a school zone, or is 100 fast on the highway. Maybe Niles13 can enlighten us.
I learned Germans are disciplined, although less so then 20 years ago, but it is all for naught because spend-free Greeks are taking away their savings (right Alex?). Maybe they're exacting payment for the free culture transfer over the first 1500 years or so
My membership to Rennlist has paid off in more ways than I can imagine since I can now dispense with both The Economist and my radar detector.
Now back to the subject at hand, I submit that it is less a question of whether a CX9 or Cx7 or whatever other SUV, or Japanese family car can/may embarrass a bona-fide Porschaah, but more a question of what you get out of it.
I'm sure you all remember Prof Porsche's answer when shown around a Porsche meet with row upon row of shiny, perfectly maintained, spotless cars: ( and I paraphrase )- It makes me sad, I built these cars to be driven. Slow or fast, enjoy your car!
I love my 993 because it connects to me in ways other, faster, 911s do not. The 993 is the ultimate symbiosis of dream and sparse manufacture. It is the genetical evolution of the English garage-built idea placed in German hands. Every time I drive, I can feel the shudder of the metal skin as it shivers through every gear change, hear the mechanical rasp right behind me.
This is not a car, it is an extension of me, rendered human by the very hands that put it together, this very last air/oil cooled machine of mine. It is elegant and timeless. Comparing it to a CX9 is much like saying that you timed a Casio against your Vacheron Constantin and found the latter wanting.
10-25-2011, 11:09 PM
#49
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Hello,
I love getting on Rennlist, I really do. I seem to not only learn about cars, but also about geo-politics and social standards. Some people like to drive their cars fast other think them idiots for doing so. I have always wondered what fast means on public roads. Is 30 fast in a school zone, or is 100 fast on the highway. Maybe Niles13 can enlighten us.
I learned Germans are disciplined, although less so then 20 years ago, but it is all for naught because spend-free Greeks are taking away their savings (right Alex?). Maybe they're exacting payment for the free culture transfer over the first 1500 years or so
My membership to Rennlist has paid off in more ways than I can imagine since I can now dispense with both The Economist and my radar detector.
Now back to the subject at hand, I submit that it is less a question of whether a CX9 or Cx7 or whatever other SUV, or Japanese family car can/may embarrass a bona-fide Porschaah, but more a question of what you get out of it.
I'm sure you all remember Prof Porsche's answer when shown around a Porsche meet with row upon row of shiny, perfectly maintained, spotless cars: ( and I paraphrase )- It makes me sad, I built these cars to be driven. Slow or fast, enjoy your car!
I love my 993 because it connects to me in ways other, faster, 911s do not. The 993 is the ultimate symbiosis of dream and sparse manufacture. It is the genetical evolution of the English garage-built idea placed in German hands. Every time I drive, I can feel the shudder of the metal skin as it shivers through every gear change, hear the mechanical rasp right behind me.
This is not a car, it is an extension of me, rendered human by the very hands that put it together, this very last air/oil cooled machine of mine. It is elegant and timeless. Comparing it to a CX9 is much like saying that you timed a Casio against your Vacheron Constantin and found the latter wanting.
I love getting on Rennlist, I really do. I seem to not only learn about cars, but also about geo-politics and social standards. Some people like to drive their cars fast other think them idiots for doing so. I have always wondered what fast means on public roads. Is 30 fast in a school zone, or is 100 fast on the highway. Maybe Niles13 can enlighten us.
I learned Germans are disciplined, although less so then 20 years ago, but it is all for naught because spend-free Greeks are taking away their savings (right Alex?). Maybe they're exacting payment for the free culture transfer over the first 1500 years or so
My membership to Rennlist has paid off in more ways than I can imagine since I can now dispense with both The Economist and my radar detector.
Now back to the subject at hand, I submit that it is less a question of whether a CX9 or Cx7 or whatever other SUV, or Japanese family car can/may embarrass a bona-fide Porschaah, but more a question of what you get out of it.
I'm sure you all remember Prof Porsche's answer when shown around a Porsche meet with row upon row of shiny, perfectly maintained, spotless cars: ( and I paraphrase )- It makes me sad, I built these cars to be driven. Slow or fast, enjoy your car!
I love my 993 because it connects to me in ways other, faster, 911s do not. The 993 is the ultimate symbiosis of dream and sparse manufacture. It is the genetical evolution of the English garage-built idea placed in German hands. Every time I drive, I can feel the shudder of the metal skin as it shivers through every gear change, hear the mechanical rasp right behind me.
This is not a car, it is an extension of me, rendered human by the very hands that put it together, this very last air/oil cooled machine of mine. It is elegant and timeless. Comparing it to a CX9 is much like saying that you timed a Casio against your Vacheron Constantin and found the latter wanting.
Oh, some of us actually drive fast. Some (not me) drive _very_ fast. Not on public roads. And only endangering like-minded individuals in proper protective gear. And even that sometimes fails, unfortunately. God forbid I would ever think of anyone an idiot for driving their Porsche fast on the track (unless they drive like an idiot on the track which happens often).
So, to answer your question - if you don't know what "fast" is on the street, go here and learn? http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook/ Excellent explanations available there with words like "safe", "attitude" and "courteous" thrown in. All in all very Canadian, polite and simple, trust me. Check it out.
I do wholeheartedly agree with your thoughts on why we drive Porsches. I've said a number of times that to me it's very much the same reason why I collect and wear mechanical watches. It's just... "my watch is faster than yours" statement would be consider... yes, you guessed it, stupid. No matter ho much faster it actually is.
10-26-2011, 12:59 AM
#50
Wow... some of you need to get laid to let go some frustration!!
So disturbing to see such disrespect for people and situations around the world.
Yup rennlist was not like this..
Get the SC and tell us your experiences
So disturbing to see such disrespect for people and situations around the world.
Yup rennlist was not like this..
Get the SC and tell us your experiences
10-26-2011, 10:21 AM
#51
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I vote this to be the best post in this thread . . .
"I love my 993 because it connects to me in ways other, faster, 911s do not. The 993 is the ultimate symbiosis of dream and sparse manufacture. It is the genetical evolution of the English garage-built idea placed in German hands. Every time I drive, I can feel the shudder of the metal skin as it shivers through every gear change, hear the mechanical rasp right behind me.
This is not a car, it is an extension of me, rendered human by the very hands that put it together, this very last air/oil cooled machine of mine. It is elegant and timeless." - Serval
"That is gold Jerry! Pure gold!"
"I love my 993 because it connects to me in ways other, faster, 911s do not. The 993 is the ultimate symbiosis of dream and sparse manufacture. It is the genetical evolution of the English garage-built idea placed in German hands. Every time I drive, I can feel the shudder of the metal skin as it shivers through every gear change, hear the mechanical rasp right behind me.
This is not a car, it is an extension of me, rendered human by the very hands that put it together, this very last air/oil cooled machine of mine. It is elegant and timeless." - Serval
"That is gold Jerry! Pure gold!"
10-26-2011, 01:21 PM
#52
Nile13, Mike, I do not make it a habit to pointedly answer specific posts to prove a point, but in this case I cannot resist, so let me apologize in advance for my transgression 
One. You determined my location is Toronto and considered my comment about foregoing my radar detector to deduce that I am breaking the law. Sarcastic comments followed imbued by a swelling feeling of superiority. Awesome! Weaved The Economist in that as well - swipe at the elitist nature. Very Cool. Who's the man? You Da Man!!
Now let's see how you steer next, autocross experience and all: I, much like Alex I guess, split my time between Europe and Canada, my second residence being in Bucharest and frequently drive in Europe (are radar detectors legal in Bucharest???? –
Oh yeah! - jumped a bit to quickly to the wrong conclusion??? Naaah, not you. ). So you have a choice: admit you were presumptuous and think twice in the future, or follow your instincts and march on: decisions, decisions - life is just one big cross-road.
Two. You sent me a link to the letter of the law. But ask yourself if it makes sense first. I submit to you that sometime 30 is dangerous while 100 is not. Going 100 km/h - speed limit on the 401, in Canada will have over 50% of the cars pass you.
That is more dangerous than going with the flow of traffic. Cops recognize this, that is why (and I assume they visited the mto link, they do not ticket until above 120Km/h. Cops Mike, cops figured it out! Imagine that
Circumstances make all the difference. Can we think of other examples like the one above? Of course we can - we smart. Work with me here Nile. There are a lot of stops on the speedometer up to the 250Km/h carnage you predict. Pick one that makes sense
Three. Then , you used the "us" pronoun, covering yourself in the mantle of all Rennlisters, something you, yourself repudiated just a few short posting back in this same thread. Polar maybe? Only if you answer nice
Four. Finally, the last recourse of those without recourse: not enough posts: 116 in two years!!!!
Should I comment on that cheap shot? Like taking candy from...Nile13 Four, Mike, Four! In a paragraph. Some kind of record
Again, sorry for the long winded response - maybe there's a lesson here, maybe I'm being vindictive, maybe a bit of both. Race you to the next stoplight?? Just kidding
One. You determined my location is Toronto and considered my comment about foregoing my radar detector to deduce that I am breaking the law. Sarcastic comments followed imbued by a swelling feeling of superiority. Awesome! Weaved The Economist in that as well - swipe at the elitist nature. Very Cool. Who's the man? You Da Man!!
Now let's see how you steer next, autocross experience and all: I, much like Alex I guess, split my time between Europe and Canada, my second residence being in Bucharest and frequently drive in Europe (are radar detectors legal in Bucharest???? –
Oh yeah! - jumped a bit to quickly to the wrong conclusion??? Naaah, not you. ). So you have a choice: admit you were presumptuous and think twice in the future, or follow your instincts and march on: decisions, decisions - life is just one big cross-road.
Two. You sent me a link to the letter of the law. But ask yourself if it makes sense first. I submit to you that sometime 30 is dangerous while 100 is not. Going 100 km/h - speed limit on the 401, in Canada will have over 50% of the cars pass you.
That is more dangerous than going with the flow of traffic. Cops recognize this, that is why (and I assume they visited the mto link
, they do not ticket until above 120Km/h. Cops Mike, cops figured it out! Imagine thatCircumstances make all the difference. Can we think of other examples like the one above? Of course we can - we smart. Work with me here Nile. There are a lot of stops on the speedometer up to the 250Km/h carnage you predict. Pick one that makes sense
Three. Then , you used the "us" pronoun, covering yourself in the mantle of all Rennlisters, something you, yourself repudiated just a few short posting back in this same thread. Polar maybe? Only if you answer nice
Four. Finally, the last recourse of those without recourse: not enough posts: 116 in two years!!!!
Should I comment on that cheap shot? Like taking candy from...Nile13 Four, Mike, Four! In a paragraph. Some kind of record
Again, sorry for the long winded response - maybe there's a lesson here, maybe I'm being vindictive, maybe a bit of both. Race you to the next stoplight?? Just kidding
10-26-2011, 01:35 PM
#53
Getting back on topic here....993s..... Although you already own a 993, has anyone notice how mesmerized they become by the shape of the car when you see one on the street?
The last time I saw a 993 on the street, I followed it for miles just gawking at it. Beautiful shape. And I already own mine for years. This probably explained the behavior of the CX90 driver more than anything else.
The last time I saw a 993 on the street, I followed it for miles just gawking at it. Beautiful shape. And I already own mine for years. This probably explained the behavior of the CX90 driver more than anything else.
10-26-2011, 02:20 PM
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One. You determined my location is Toronto and considered my comment about foregoing my radar detector to deduce that I am breaking the law. Sarcastic comments followed imbued by a swelling feeling of superiority. Awesome! Weaved The Economist in that as well - swipe at the elitist nature. Very Cool. Who's the man? You Da Man!!
Now let's see how you steer next, autocross experience and all: I, much like Alex I guess, split my time between Europe and Canada, my second residence being in Bucharest and frequently drive in Europe (are radar detectors legal in Bucharest???? –
Oh yeah! - jumped a bit to quickly to the wrong conclusion??? Naaah, not you. ). So you have a choice: admit you were presumptuous and think twice in the future, or follow your instincts and march on: decisions, decisions - life is just one big cross-road.
Oh yeah! - jumped a bit to quickly to the wrong conclusion??? Naaah, not you. ). So you have a choice: admit you were presumptuous and think twice in the future, or follow your instincts and march on: decisions, decisions - life is just one big cross-road.
So... are radar detectors illegal in Bucharest? And what are speeding fines there nowadays? Same $2 as before?
I'll tell you a horrible secret. I also split time between US and Europe, although not in thr last three years. But I've lived there full time in 2006-2007 so realities are not completely lost on me.
Two. You sent me a link to the letter of the law. But ask yourself if it makes sense first. I submit to you that sometime 30 is dangerous while 100 is not. Going 100 km/h - speed limit on the 401, in Canada will have over 50% of the cars pass you.
If we, however, get a bit more serious for a second, I think each of us knows what "fast" is and what "too fast" is. I got into racing 19 years ago and into autocrossing full-time 12 years ago because I spun my mid-engined car on a street a few times. Scary as it was, nobody else was around, thankfully, to learn what snap oversteer really means. So "too fast' to me today is much slower than it was back then even though I can actually control the car much better. And, oh, I don't get into races with CX-9s because of that.
That is more dangerous than going with the flow of traffic. Cops recognize this, that is why (and I assume they visited the mto link , they do not ticket until above 120Km/h. Cops Mike, cops figured it out! Imagine that
, they do not ticket until above 120Km/h. Cops Mike, cops figured it out! Imagine that
I'm sure you've driven on Autobahn with unlimited speeds. The difference between fast and slow cars is easily 80kmh, right? So it's not about flow of traffic, i think it's about lane discipline and general understanding of consequences, that's all.
Circumstances make all the difference. Can we think of other examples like the one above? Of course we can - we smart. Work with me here Nile. There are a lot of stops on the speedometer up to the 250Km/h carnage you predict. Pick one that makes sense
Three. Then , you used the "us" pronoun, covering yourself in the mantle of all Rennlisters, something you, yourself repudiated just a few short posting back in this same thread. Polar maybe? Only if you answer nice
Four. Finally, the last recourse of those without recourse: not enough posts: 116 in two years!!!!
Should I comment on that cheap shot? Like taking candy from...Nile13 Four, Mike, Four! In a paragraph. Some kind of record
Should I comment on that cheap shot? Like taking candy from...Nile13 Four, Mike, Four! In a paragraph. Some kind of record
Again, sorry for the long winded response - maybe there's a lesson here, maybe I'm being vindictive, maybe a bit of both. Race you to the next stoplight?? Just kidding
10-26-2011, 02:21 PM
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I've been a member of Rennlist for 10 years (has it really been that long?).
I come and go and have always felt welcomed when I get back involved.
I don't avoid confrontation but don't welcome it either. I always though this site was about the cars (and the people).
We all have bad days and strong opinions about things. I just think the opinions should be about the cars not how people conduct their lives. There are plenty of web forums outside Rennlist for that.
My message for what it's worth is simple - let's move past the anger and angst in this thread and get back to the cars - because heck they are alot of fun no matter how you decide to drive them
I come and go and have always felt welcomed when I get back involved.
I don't avoid confrontation but don't welcome it either. I always though this site was about the cars (and the people).
We all have bad days and strong opinions about things. I just think the opinions should be about the cars not how people conduct their lives. There are plenty of web forums outside Rennlist for that.
My message for what it's worth is simple - let's move past the anger and angst in this thread and get back to the cars - because heck they are alot of fun no matter how you decide to drive them
10-26-2011, 04:11 PM
#56
"In your great contributions to this forum of 2 years and 116 posts you got all of us figured out"
see the "us" Nile13? you're welcome/
with apologies to my fellow Rennlisters I am trying to resist the temptation, really I am. But with only 117 posts--oops 118 now, I just don't know any better. I need help
see the "us" Nile13? you're welcome/
with apologies to my fellow Rennlisters I am trying to resist the temptation, really I am. But with only 117 posts--oops 118 now, I just don't know any better. I need help
10-26-2011, 06:33 PM
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Nile13, Mike, I do not make it a habit to pointedly answer specific posts to prove a point, but in this case I cannot resist, so let me apologize in advance for my transgression
One. You determined my location is Toronto and considered my comment about foregoing my radar detector to deduce that I am breaking the law. Sarcastic comments followed imbued by a swelling feeling of superiority. Awesome! Weaved The Economist in that as well - swipe at the elitist nature. Very Cool. Who's the man? You Da Man!!
Now let's see how you steer next, autocross experience and all: I, much like Alex I guess, split my time between Europe and Canada, my second residence being in Bucharest and frequently drive in Europe (are radar detectors legal in Bucharest???? –
Oh yeah! - jumped a bit to quickly to the wrong conclusion??? Naaah, not you. ). So you have a choice: admit you were presumptuous and think twice in the future, or follow your instincts and march on: decisions, decisions - life is just one big cross-road.
Two. You sent me a link to the letter of the law. But ask yourself if it makes sense first. I submit to you that sometime 30 is dangerous while 100 is not. Going 100 km/h - speed limit on the 401, in Canada will have over 50% of the cars pass you.
That is more dangerous than going with the flow of traffic. Cops recognize this, that is why (and I assume they visited the mto link, they do not ticket until above 120Km/h. Cops Mike, cops figured it out! Imagine that
Circumstances make all the difference. Can we think of other examples like the one above? Of course we can - we smart. Work with me here Nile. There are a lot of stops on the speedometer up to the 250Km/h carnage you predict. Pick one that makes sense
Three. Then , you used the "us" pronoun, covering yourself in the mantle of all Rennlisters, something you, yourself repudiated just a few short posting back in this same thread. Polar maybe? Only if you answer nice
Four. Finally, the last recourse of those without recourse: not enough posts: 116 in two years!!!!
Should I comment on that cheap shot? Like taking candy from...Nile13 Four, Mike, Four! In a paragraph. Some kind of record
Again, sorry for the long winded response - maybe there's a lesson here, maybe I'm being vindictive, maybe a bit of both. Race you to the next stoplight?? Just kidding
One. You determined my location is Toronto and considered my comment about foregoing my radar detector to deduce that I am breaking the law. Sarcastic comments followed imbued by a swelling feeling of superiority. Awesome! Weaved The Economist in that as well - swipe at the elitist nature. Very Cool. Who's the man? You Da Man!!
Now let's see how you steer next, autocross experience and all: I, much like Alex I guess, split my time between Europe and Canada, my second residence being in Bucharest and frequently drive in Europe (are radar detectors legal in Bucharest???? –
Oh yeah! - jumped a bit to quickly to the wrong conclusion??? Naaah, not you. ). So you have a choice: admit you were presumptuous and think twice in the future, or follow your instincts and march on: decisions, decisions - life is just one big cross-road.
Two. You sent me a link to the letter of the law. But ask yourself if it makes sense first. I submit to you that sometime 30 is dangerous while 100 is not. Going 100 km/h - speed limit on the 401, in Canada will have over 50% of the cars pass you.
That is more dangerous than going with the flow of traffic. Cops recognize this, that is why (and I assume they visited the mto link
, they do not ticket until above 120Km/h. Cops Mike, cops figured it out! Imagine thatCircumstances make all the difference. Can we think of other examples like the one above? Of course we can - we smart. Work with me here Nile. There are a lot of stops on the speedometer up to the 250Km/h carnage you predict. Pick one that makes sense
Three. Then , you used the "us" pronoun, covering yourself in the mantle of all Rennlisters, something you, yourself repudiated just a few short posting back in this same thread. Polar maybe? Only if you answer nice
Four. Finally, the last recourse of those without recourse: not enough posts: 116 in two years!!!!
Should I comment on that cheap shot? Like taking candy from...Nile13 Four, Mike, Four! In a paragraph. Some kind of record
Again, sorry for the long winded response - maybe there's a lesson here, maybe I'm being vindictive, maybe a bit of both. Race you to the next stoplight?? Just kidding
