Ferdie

The dealership that offers the above mentioned C2S looks like the average second-hand car dealer here in Germany. If you ask for my personal opinion, I would stay away from that as there are plenty dedicated Porsche and 911 specialists around that you could buy the car from, for example this one (that I have no affiliation with) which seems to have quite a few examples imported from the US. This would also be the case if you have already moved to Italy. Alternatively, as mentioned above, I would suggest to find an appropriate car in the US, possibly from a fellow RLer and import yourself to Denmark or Italy. I also second the idea of using a specialist for import duties.

On the 993, if you do not need the tiptronic gearbox, I would rather go for the 6-speed models. The tiptronic models are, from my experience, less sought-after and therefore usually cheaper to acquire. Many issues on the Targa, such as rattles or leaks, can be solved with an adjustment and re-sealing although it obviously demands more maintenance than the hardtop models. Targa and tiptronic seem to go together quite often, in that case you might find a decent model rather early and for an even better price.

Whether the 993 is the car for you can only be determined by a testdrive and talks with current owners, as has been mentioned on other posts one can already find decent 997 cars for a similiar price nowadays. That car is certainly faster, more ergonomical and apporpriate for everyday use and, on top of that, even the tiptronic is more appropriate on that model.

Good luck with the search and the move to Italy!

appear

Thank you Ferdie.

The Fischer Oldtimer dealership looks very good, I would love to purchase a car from a place like that. However they have no C2S 993's in stock at the moment, but I will keep an eye on that site. Is it wrong to assume that most german dealers are represented on Autoscout24 and Mobile.de? I have never considered looking elsewhere, expect for Blocket.se (Swedish).

I don't need the Tip gearbox, but I do not belong to the group of people who consider the manual essential for the 'real driving' experience and I live in downtown copenhagen and my current tiptronic boxster has been an absolute joy to live with. I know the 993 tip is not as good as the 996-997-997.2(PDK) generation of tips, but from what I have read many people on this forum are quite happy with them. And as you said the price of a Tip is usually cheaper (expect for the 400 bhp+ Targa priced at 70k EUR), which is a good thing if you wan't one - from what I have seen after following the Tip market closely over the last 5-6 months a good Tip car (less than 150tkm mileage and desirable colors) is sold in less than a month!

If money was no object I would have a 997 tip (Targa 4S), but since I live in denmark and have to put danish license plates on the car I buy, I have to consider the F€%&"#€ danish registration tax. A 993 can be registrered for approx 55.000 USD on top of the purchase price of the car (~ 65K $) while a 997 costs 105.000 USD (2004 Carrera 2) on top of the price of the car (~ 65-70k $ which is similar to the price of a good 993), but that is WAY out of my spending range unfortunately.

Thanks again you for taking the time to reply. If you know any other Porsche specialist dealers such as Fischer please let me know!

P-track

Interesting thread as I am looking for a C2S manual to replace my 993 C2.

Not sure what he wants for the car but this one is for sale in Holland at a reputable independent specialist;
http://www.hansbos.nl/showroom/showr...led.php?id=352

(last year I was staying in Copenhagen a lot for work, amazing number of Porsches and other supercars over there!)


Regards from Amsterdam,
Guy

appear

That C2S Tip from Hans Bos is STUNNING! I don't even wan't to know the price of that car when the 100.000 km C2S (at the same dealer) is priced at 71K $... I imagine the 40.000 km model is in the 85-90K $ range :-/

Thank you Guy, I really appreciate it! Even though I probably can't afford this car it really lifted my spirits to see a nice C2S Tip for sale. Next time you're in Copenhagen PM me and hopefully I can offer you a testdrive in a 993 C2S Tip so you can compare with your C2S manual (good luck with that switch)! Just out of curiosity, why not go for a C4S and get the 4WD and big red calibers?

Hmm... Maybe I should consider making a LOW offer on the other cheaper US Import car and then spend a chunk of the money I saved (compared to the much more expensive dealer-car) on putting the car in TIP TOP condition - all expect for huge accidents can be corrected I guess. I could rebuild the top twice and still have money left to burn.

M. Schneider

Appear -
Now you're talking. The Hans Bos '97 C2S is a charmer. Take a closer look.

delanobe

Cars in the Netherlands are always 30% more expensive than in other countries. They have different tax rules (I thin it's called bpm?)

Just keep looking on mobile.de as the best and cheapest Porsche's are in Germany.

Ciao

993RS

In Switzerland, the 993CS sells for about 120'000-140'000 dollars! Incredible. Twice as much as a 993C4S!
http://www.autoscout24.ch/AS24Web/Li...erpage=&page=3

P-track

True, cars are more expensive in Holland due to tax ( yes the much hated BPM ) but if you export it to another country you are eligible for a tax refund.

In Holland a decent 2S will do between 50 and 90k euro. My specialist had a mint 2S, only 20k km's and full of X-options, sold for 105.000 euro..... (yes, 140.000 USD)

I would definately try a US import. A friend of mine bought a 993 Turbo via Sloan cars. They took care of all the shipping and documents, including the dutch registration process it took exactly 4 weeks. He had the Porsche dealer fit Euro bumpers and a Euro conversion, I think about 4000 euro in total. He saved at least 15k euro compared to a similar dutch car.

Good luck with the search, I will keep an eye open for a Black Tip 2S.

appear

BPM - sounds like a ugly sister to our 180% registration tax.

Dealer replied today and told me the price of the car is 60.000 EUR (85.000 USD) with no chance of a TAX refund because the car is older than 2006-10 - what a shame! If it was 50k I would have done it in a heartbeat.

So thats almost double the price of the US import I previously mentioned - I can't help thinking I could offer him 30K EUR and then set 10-15k EUR aside for restoration (new springs, EU rearfender, possible engine repair and minor stuff).

The cheaper I can get the car pre-import the better due to tax rules. And if it's in a bad shape I will get a tax-discount.

delanobe

If I were you I would just have a little more patience and wait for the car you really like from the beginning.

When you start with a car that isn't clean from the beginning you could have a nasty surpise after a few weeks.
Even 15.000€ is not that much to make a 993 mint.

Enjoy the hunt