993 turbo vs 993C2 with Turbo
#17
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My 2c after installing a Protomotive TT kit, then uninstalling it is this: enjoy your car as-is, because HP is overrated. I don't miss the power at all, since 280 hp is plenty for a 3,000 lb car.
But if you can't resist, then sell your car and buy a factory TT unless you've sunk a ton $$$ into your car and you never plan to sell it. If you really have to mod yours, then a s/c engine is great fun on the streets (currently driving a '10 S4, supercharged) but TT is better for the track.
If you don't heed this advice, trust me, you'll regret it.
But if you can't resist, then sell your car and buy a factory TT unless you've sunk a ton $$$ into your car and you never plan to sell it. If you really have to mod yours, then a s/c engine is great fun on the streets (currently driving a '10 S4, supercharged) but TT is better for the track.
If you don't heed this advice, trust me, you'll regret it.
#19
Burning Brakes
Talk to the good guys at Turbo Kraft.
Summary of build:
http://www.turbokraft.com/gallery/v/Mike/
Current FS listing by owner:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsc...#ht_1575wt_728
When I inquired it was about $30,000 for a turbo build and $20,000 for a full 3.8 build.
The 993tt is a lot better financially IMHO.
Summary of build:
http://www.turbokraft.com/gallery/v/Mike/
Current FS listing by owner:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsc...#ht_1575wt_728
When I inquired it was about $30,000 for a turbo build and $20,000 for a full 3.8 build.
The 993tt is a lot better financially IMHO.
#21
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I just went through this for a couple years - ended up supercharging mine and I'm glad I did - search for my thread on the process. Its just my opinion but one that comes from at least the experience of trying most of the options.
If you do the math, selling yours and buying a low mileage turbo without much mods, will cost a LOT. Ours (even the widebody cars) have devalued more in the past 5 years and more than the turbo. I think narrow body is even more of a gap. Even with the cost of supercharging/intercooler and install I was further ahead then selling and getting back into the highest preserved (price wise) 993 car. I already had my car where I wanted it, and knew the history and condition and loved it, just needed more power. The whole resale thing is a just dogma in my opinion. At this stage of these cars lives, resale is falling fast (maybe a bit slower for SOME models and those with very low mileage, original condition). I think we need to get over that fact, they are in the fast fall time of their history. Do what makes you happy and don't try to predict 3-5 years out. If you know you are keeping your car that long, just mod it.
Chances are it will be worth near 10K less than its worth right now just doing nothing to it in that time anyway. As car enthusiasts, some of whom have even bought new P-cars, or sports cars, even SUV's at one time, having them lose 30-40K value is not a surprise after a few years ownership. I don't know why we have such a different perspective when talking about a used car and 5-10k difference. We all know they are blue chip, but that is the driving experience, not the investment side of things.
If you do the math, selling yours and buying a low mileage turbo without much mods, will cost a LOT. Ours (even the widebody cars) have devalued more in the past 5 years and more than the turbo. I think narrow body is even more of a gap. Even with the cost of supercharging/intercooler and install I was further ahead then selling and getting back into the highest preserved (price wise) 993 car. I already had my car where I wanted it, and knew the history and condition and loved it, just needed more power. The whole resale thing is a just dogma in my opinion. At this stage of these cars lives, resale is falling fast (maybe a bit slower for SOME models and those with very low mileage, original condition). I think we need to get over that fact, they are in the fast fall time of their history. Do what makes you happy and don't try to predict 3-5 years out. If you know you are keeping your car that long, just mod it.
Chances are it will be worth near 10K less than its worth right now just doing nothing to it in that time anyway. As car enthusiasts, some of whom have even bought new P-cars, or sports cars, even SUV's at one time, having them lose 30-40K value is not a surprise after a few years ownership. I don't know why we have such a different perspective when talking about a used car and 5-10k difference. We all know they are blue chip, but that is the driving experience, not the investment side of things.
#22
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clib,
Thanks for the response. How much did the charger and intercooler run you, if I might be so bold as to ask? Did you also have to do anything with the clutch? And last, is there dangerous power now, or just really, really good power?
Thanks for the response. How much did the charger and intercooler run you, if I might be so bold as to ask? Did you also have to do anything with the clutch? And last, is there dangerous power now, or just really, really good power?
#23
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#24
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#25
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wonderful, in my opinion. I really like the 2wd steering feel on the 993 turbo. I'd imagine (have to, haven't driven one!) it feels similar to the 993 GT2
With the extra HP in the turbo cars, you get a torque steer feel to the handling that I didn't care for. All a matter of personal preference, of course.
With the extra HP in the turbo cars, you get a torque steer feel to the handling that I didn't care for. All a matter of personal preference, of course.
#26
To the OP, with VRAM, RS gearbox, and LWF my 993 feels pretty darn fast. Comparable in sum to the E46 M3 I own.
Cheers,
Joe
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Selo
There are quite a few threads over the past few years discussing this topic. I am sure there is a lot of good information that you can benefit from to make up your mind.
The only two choices I would seriously consider would be as follows:
1- Sell your Carrera and buy a 993TT. If cost is an issue, a 100% stock high mileage one with decent compression, and do a top end refresh for valves, seats, guides and springs + check P&C and ring gaps.
2- Sell your engine and buy a stock 993TT engine. Not easy to come buy but you can find them if you are patient, I just bought one last week. The price differential would be worth it.
The N/A engine is just not designed for turbocharging, compression, cylinders, pistons and head design, they are all not well suitable for the compression and heat of a turbocharged engine.
As to the 2WD conversion, steering feel is excellent and response is much more predictable than a 4WD system on the track. I do enjoy driving a 4WD TT still, however it is noticeably less responsive.
I would not change gearing, the impact is mainly noticeable when you accelerate within a certain gear, not when going through the gears. If someone has measured data as to how much shorter gearing impact a 0-200kp run I would love to see it
There are quite a few threads over the past few years discussing this topic. I am sure there is a lot of good information that you can benefit from to make up your mind.
The only two choices I would seriously consider would be as follows:
1- Sell your Carrera and buy a 993TT. If cost is an issue, a 100% stock high mileage one with decent compression, and do a top end refresh for valves, seats, guides and springs + check P&C and ring gaps.
2- Sell your engine and buy a stock 993TT engine. Not easy to come buy but you can find them if you are patient, I just bought one last week. The price differential would be worth it.
The N/A engine is just not designed for turbocharging, compression, cylinders, pistons and head design, they are all not well suitable for the compression and heat of a turbocharged engine.
As to the 2WD conversion, steering feel is excellent and response is much more predictable than a 4WD system on the track. I do enjoy driving a 4WD TT still, however it is noticeably less responsive.
I would not change gearing, the impact is mainly noticeable when you accelerate within a certain gear, not when going through the gears. If someone has measured data as to how much shorter gearing impact a 0-200kp run I would love to see it
#29
Talk to the good guys at Turbo Kraft.
Summary of build:
http://www.turbokraft.com/gallery/v/Mike/
Current FS listing by owner:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsc...#ht_1575wt_728
Summary of build:
http://www.turbokraft.com/gallery/v/Mike/
Current FS listing by owner:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsc...#ht_1575wt_728
#30
If you are the type who always want to mod, then mod your current car. And only do that if you are really into it.
If you get the turbo, I'd leave it alone. These are becoming classics. Modding it definitely won't do you any good in resale. Try to imagine a modded Jag Etype or modded Dino. At some point, an original car is more desirable than a modified one. I think 993TT is hitting that spot soon, if not already. People are paying stupid money on these now.
If you get the turbo, I'd leave it alone. These are becoming classics. Modding it definitely won't do you any good in resale. Try to imagine a modded Jag Etype or modded Dino. At some point, an original car is more desirable than a modified one. I think 993TT is hitting that spot soon, if not already. People are paying stupid money on these now.