Why being a Rennlist member, as a opposed to a user, matters.
03-24-2011, 12:06 AM
#76
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
At the end of the day, we're talking about all of $17. And yet not really.
There are many things in life I can get for free if I want. Like music. I don't really need to pay for it anymore. I can get it all for free on the internet these days. Movies, too. Also, I'm not morally or legally obligated to tip any of the myriad people of service people I come into contact with all the time, such as waitresses, bellhops, valets, mailman, housekeepers etc etc etc.
But I choose to pay for things that I can often get for free, because I believe that anything that brings value into my world, I want to reciprocate and contribute to, as they've contributed to adding value to my life. Especially if it's only $17, and it's a place like Rennlist. I get tons of value here. And only $17 for all that value?
Some say, well, it's owned by a corporation now. Some say, I can get it for free why would I pay. Some say Rennlist is no different than any other board and if it shuts I'll just go to another Porsche board.
And some have absolutely no problem paying $17 for Rennlist, because they value this place and I want to keep it just as it is. There's probably no better way to say that, especially to a corporation, than by paying the $17 for a membership.
But you see, this isn't really about $17. It’s more about supporting a unique and terrific community that provides much for very, very little.
Or free, if you don’t agree.
There are many things in life I can get for free if I want. Like music. I don't really need to pay for it anymore. I can get it all for free on the internet these days. Movies, too. Also, I'm not morally or legally obligated to tip any of the myriad people of service people I come into contact with all the time, such as waitresses, bellhops, valets, mailman, housekeepers etc etc etc.
But I choose to pay for things that I can often get for free, because I believe that anything that brings value into my world, I want to reciprocate and contribute to, as they've contributed to adding value to my life. Especially if it's only $17, and it's a place like Rennlist. I get tons of value here. And only $17 for all that value?
Some say, well, it's owned by a corporation now. Some say, I can get it for free why would I pay. Some say Rennlist is no different than any other board and if it shuts I'll just go to another Porsche board.
And some have absolutely no problem paying $17 for Rennlist, because they value this place and I want to keep it just as it is. There's probably no better way to say that, especially to a corporation, than by paying the $17 for a membership.
But you see, this isn't really about $17. It’s more about supporting a unique and terrific community that provides much for very, very little.
Or free, if you don’t agree.
03-24-2011, 12:48 AM
#77
Rennlist Member
At the end of the day, we're talking about all of $17. And yet not really.
There are many things in life I can get for free if I want. Like music. I don't really need to pay for it anymore. I can get it all for free on the internet these days. Movies, too. Also, I'm not morally or legally obligated to tip any of the myriad people of service people I come into contact with all the time, such as waitresses, bellhops, valets, mailman, housekeepers etc etc etc.
But I choose to pay for things that I can often get for free, because I believe that anything that brings value into my world, I want to reciprocate and contribute to, as they've contributed to adding value to my life. Especially if it's only $17, and it's a place like Rennlist. I get tons of value here. And only $17 for all that value?
Some say, well, it's owned by a corporation now. Some say, I can get it for free why would I pay. Some say Rennlist is no different than any other board and if it shuts I'll just go to another Porsche board.
And some have absolutely no problem paying $17 for Rennlist, because they value this place and I want to keep it just as it is. There's probably no better way to say that, especially to a corporation, than by paying the $17 for a membership.
But you see, this isn't really about $17. It’s more about supporting a unique and terrific community that provides much for very, very little.
Or free, if you don’t agree.
There are many things in life I can get for free if I want. Like music. I don't really need to pay for it anymore. I can get it all for free on the internet these days. Movies, too. Also, I'm not morally or legally obligated to tip any of the myriad people of service people I come into contact with all the time, such as waitresses, bellhops, valets, mailman, housekeepers etc etc etc.
But I choose to pay for things that I can often get for free, because I believe that anything that brings value into my world, I want to reciprocate and contribute to, as they've contributed to adding value to my life. Especially if it's only $17, and it's a place like Rennlist. I get tons of value here. And only $17 for all that value?
Some say, well, it's owned by a corporation now. Some say, I can get it for free why would I pay. Some say Rennlist is no different than any other board and if it shuts I'll just go to another Porsche board.
And some have absolutely no problem paying $17 for Rennlist, because they value this place and I want to keep it just as it is. There's probably no better way to say that, especially to a corporation, than by paying the $17 for a membership.
But you see, this isn't really about $17. It’s more about supporting a unique and terrific community that provides much for very, very little.
Or free, if you don’t agree.
03-24-2011, 01:19 AM
#78
Rennlist Member
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At the end of the day, we're talking about all of $17. And yet not really.
There are many things in life I can get for free if I want. Like music. I don't really need to pay for it anymore. I can get it all for free on the internet these days. Movies, too. Also, I'm not morally or legally obligated to tip any of the myriad people of service people I come into contact with all the time, such as waitresses, bellhops, valets, mailman, housekeepers etc etc etc.
But I choose to pay for things that I can often get for free, because I believe that anything that brings value into my world, I want to reciprocate and contribute to, as they've contributed to adding value to my life. Especially if it's only $17, and it's a place like Rennlist. I get tons of value here. And only $17 for all that value?
Some say, well, it's owned by a corporation now. Some say, I can get it for free why would I pay. Some say Rennlist is no different than any other board and if it shuts I'll just go to another Porsche board.
And some have absolutely no problem paying $17 for Rennlist, because they value this place and I want to keep it just as it is. There's probably no better way to say that, especially to a corporation, than by paying the $17 for a membership.
But you see, this isn't really about $17. It’s more about supporting a unique and terrific community that provides much for very, very little.
Or free, if you don’t agree.
There are many things in life I can get for free if I want. Like music. I don't really need to pay for it anymore. I can get it all for free on the internet these days. Movies, too. Also, I'm not morally or legally obligated to tip any of the myriad people of service people I come into contact with all the time, such as waitresses, bellhops, valets, mailman, housekeepers etc etc etc.
But I choose to pay for things that I can often get for free, because I believe that anything that brings value into my world, I want to reciprocate and contribute to, as they've contributed to adding value to my life. Especially if it's only $17, and it's a place like Rennlist. I get tons of value here. And only $17 for all that value?
Some say, well, it's owned by a corporation now. Some say, I can get it for free why would I pay. Some say Rennlist is no different than any other board and if it shuts I'll just go to another Porsche board.
And some have absolutely no problem paying $17 for Rennlist, because they value this place and I want to keep it just as it is. There's probably no better way to say that, especially to a corporation, than by paying the $17 for a membership.
But you see, this isn't really about $17. It’s more about supporting a unique and terrific community that provides much for very, very little.
Or free, if you don’t agree.
03-24-2011, 04:07 AM
#81
Three Wheelin'
It IS that simple.
03-24-2011, 09:39 AM
#82
Racer
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Exactly.I sometimes worry about the state of society when people rationalize donating money to a multi-billion dollar company for the "good of the community." To liken it to stealing music is just ridiculous (or to use proper internet terminology "rediculous"). 
03-24-2011, 09:55 AM
#83
Rennlist Member
03-24-2011, 10:03 AM
#84
Rennlist Member
What about people signing up and paying $17 just to sell a car? I am sure there are sales guys working at dealerships who would benefit from that move? The dealership has their own marketing avenues and would not be interested in being a sponsor. I am talking about a sales guy working on commission trying to be creative.
Where does one draw the line?
Where does one draw the line?
03-24-2011, 10:06 AM
#85
Still plays with cars.
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Members can advertise personal property. A business needs to be a paid sponsor. There is one dealer/sponsor on here but not very active sadly.
03-24-2011, 10:58 AM
#88
Race Director
1. Also, I'm not morally or legally obligated to tip any of the myriad people of service people I come into contact with all the time, such as waitresses, bellhops, valets, mailman, housekeepers etc etc etc.
2. But I choose to pay for things that I can often get for free, because I believe that anything that brings value into my world, I want to reciprocate and contribute to, as they've contributed to adding value to my life. Especially if it's only $17, and it's a place like Rennlist. I get tons of value here. And only $17 for all that value?
3. Some say Rennlist is no different than any other board and if it shuts I'll just go to another Porsche board.
4.But you see, this isn't really about $17. It’s more about supporting a unique and terrific community that provides much for very, very little.
2. But I choose to pay for things that I can often get for free, because I believe that anything that brings value into my world, I want to reciprocate and contribute to, as they've contributed to adding value to my life. Especially if it's only $17, and it's a place like Rennlist. I get tons of value here. And only $17 for all that value?
3. Some say Rennlist is no different than any other board and if it shuts I'll just go to another Porsche board.
4.But you see, this isn't really about $17. It’s more about supporting a unique and terrific community that provides much for very, very little.
1. those people are providing you with a service. Let say you were a knowledgeable trader, and instead of giving them $3, you gave them advice about a great mutual fund/stock/whatever. Both, to me, are considered "giving something back".
lets put it this way. If I ask a question on a forum, I would much rather get useful advice than someone sending me $17. The point is that by answering questions and helping others, I ADD value, just like everyone here (at least most people add value).
Rennlist has ZERO value...if nobody views it or posts here. The individuals who view and post here are what create the value. And if you say my contributions aren't worth anything, than whose are?
2.You get value from other posters, not from rennlist itself. Think of how desirable this place is to advertisers. Its filled with a bunch of middle aged guys with high incomes (and more importantly disposable income). Rennlist would absolutely exist without the membership fee, but importantly, as I mentioned before, it would have zero value if no one looked at it.
3. If rennlist closes, whats gonna happen? Is everyone here gonna say, ok, well I'm done with internet porsche discussion. No, most likely everyone would go to pelican or 6 speed, and you'd have the same value.
4. To think $17 buys community is BS. If you ignore the corporation aspect, the $17 buys you a place to post, which is free many places.
example:
When you go to a carshow, GTG, whatever, do you pay the establishment to use their parking lot? Or do some people just buy some food item or similar (quite similar to advertisers really).
Further, if starbucks says you can't use their lot anymore, and you have to move to dunkin donuts, is there less value or enjoyment from the gathering? Rennlist is merely a venue.
Exactly! Also, I beg to differ that this site is free. We all pay because the advertisers get a share of our eyeball time. The fact is the people who frequent this site are a very valuable demographic and the advertisers get good value in getting access to us. I'm happy to glance their way and even patronize them when it's appropriate but to pay $17 in addition to that is gilding the lilly.
03-24-2011, 11:27 AM
#89
Rennlist Member
2.You get value from other posters, not from rennlist itself. Think of how desirable this place is to advertisers. Its filled with a bunch of middle aged guys with high incomes (and more importantly disposable income). Rennlist would absolutely exist without the membership fee, but importantly, as I mentioned before, it would have zero value if no one looked at it.
03-24-2011, 11:27 AM
#90
Instructor
Reminds me of the discriminatory "demeanour" of other forums.
Yeah, I don’t post much, but what this "pathetic …. just a user" has posted has been generally on topics that I can hopefully offer a genuine contribution or assistance.