arenared911cab

I've got a good squeal going on and rather than bore the site with another brake squeal post, I searched and read all previous posts. Alot of good advice (bevel leading edge, bevel trailing edge, power wash, scuff with emery cloth, etc) However, one thing I'm not clear on is the OEM Supplier title vs Genuine Porsche. Textar is an OEM supplier listed on Pelican's site and is what I've got new on all four (also new rotors). I've been told (after the fact) if you want to eliminate squeal, put nothing but Genuine Porsche. On the other side, Pelican says Genuine Porsche are just Textar in a Porsche box .

Can any one clarify whether there truly is a difference between "Genuine Porsche" pads for $200+ and OEM suplier Textar at $93.

I just want the noise to stop!

Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems

Rob,

With all respect to Pelican, OEM Textar pads are certainly NOT the same as Porsche factory ones and squealing issues are just one of the differences.

We are VERY particular about what parts we sell to people as well as what we install here and I never use OEM Textars unless Dealer-sourced pads are not an option for street cars. The only exception are some street Mintex ones that are darned good, however those are not for 993 applications.

My best advice would be to install some Porsche original factory pads, being sure to install new factory anti-squeal dampers, to get rid of the noise.

rsr91128

Rob,

Your brake squeal sucks, but...

I think we missed the thread about the bumper and splitter changes to your car.

Pictures are the LAW!!!

User 122821

One difference I notice in Porsche supplied pads is a backing plate of Aluminum or other software metal. I believe this is a feature of dealer only pads.

993inNC

I've never used Porsche pads, always Textar so my opinion can only be one sided.

I just put a brand new set on rotors that have seen plenty of track time and with Pagid yellows squealed like nothing I've ever heard before. Not wanting any more squeal and having decided to retire the car from track duty, I had the rotors lightly "turned". Put the Textar pads on, and nothing, not even a hint of squeal.
The rotors were found to be slightly "cupped" in a concave sense not a typical lateral warp. I had never know a rotor could do that, but in essentially the pads were touching top and bottom and missing just enough center to squeal. But to look at the pad, they looked flat.
The rotors were turned in the same fashion as a flywheel not in the normal rotor, inside to outside grinding.
I've never had a problem with Textar (other than they suck for track duty). They need to be bed in properly otherwise they get really dusty, but nothing wrong with the pads in general. You may want to have the rotors looked at for issues like mine had.

and btw, mine had aluminum backing plates on them

ASH.PALIN

I was doubtful over the Textar/Porsche difference but my Specialist pointed out to me the although the pattern/shape is Textar the actual compound belongs to Porsche and that it the sticking point.

I have to say I did notice the difference between the two I found the Textar slightly less efficient

Chuck W.

I just did my first brake jobs ever in the last two months. One was an upgrade calipers, rotors and disc on my '01 Tundra and the other was just a pad replacement on my daughter's '05 Audi A4. I got tired of paying the big bucks for brake work and had always been told how easy it is. I am a newbie in this area so I am reading and learning every thing I can for future brake work.

When I did the above brake work Napa recommended using the below product to prevent squeal. Would this work for the OP?

JPP

Here's my recent .02Cents worth of experience with this. FDM just did the brakes on my coupe, after 91,000 miles, they seemed to need a fluff. New factory rotors/pads/spiders etc. and the pads that were available at the time were OEM Pagid which felt like racing pads, hauling the car down to a dime/stop in a NY second and pretty much defying the laws of physics on several levels.

That would have been great, especially for a track car, but mine is just street driven and at slow rolling stops (signs/lights) they squealed so loud that other drivers in cars with windows up would turn and glower at me. I even had a guy in a new Mustang (how embarrassing) turn and scowl at me while holding his hands over his ears. No kidding.
O.k., so, FDM, as would be expected from their history of straight up business practice, said 'no problem, bring it back and we'll swap out with OEM Textar' and after the swap, no squeal. However, the Textar brake performance isn't as good as the Pagid pads. It's still great, don't get me wrong, and I have to watch myself with passengers in the car so I don't put them into the dashboard, but they are NOT as grippy by a long shot. In a perfect world, I'd want the performance of Pagid without the feedback ....

TMc993

I've used a similar product on several applications with good results.

With regard to the "OEM" designation, I think it is important to understand that "OEM" applies only to the parts company and not the parts. "OEM" means that the manufacturer produces or produced said parts for the car company, not that parts you are ordering are actually the manufacturer's parts made to manufacturer's specs.

So, when you order "OEM" aftermarket parts, they are reasonable replicas of the manufacturer's parts, but may be off a little in terms of materials or size/shape. They work, and some work well, but the aren't exactly the same.

In the case of brake pads, a slightly different compound and a couple of thousandths difference in tolerances here and there can make the difference between quiet brakes and squealing brakes....

T

FD Motorsports

We've never had a problem with Textar pads on the 993.

FWIW, there is much incest in the brake pad world... when it comes to the 993, Textar or OE Porsche for the street are best.

However, with newer Porsche models there is even less reason to go with Porsche boxed pads.
One example is the Cayenne: OE is Brembo (stamped in the steel). If you buy Pagid you get the exact same pad (stamped Brembo) except with a Pagid branded backing plate.

arenared911cab

Hey RSR91128, Now that you asked! I'm happy to oblige, like we ever get bored posting pics of our cars.

From stock I had the bumperettes removed and filled, and replaced with clear euro lens and vent/fog light insert. Added the two splitters on front bumper, and went to Gert for OE 1b sideskirts. A full brake job was done last winter new drilled rotors, textar pads, antisqueal spiders, sensor wires, and in this process painted the calipers yellow, rotor caps and dust guard black.

I generally like it but didn't realize the 1b sideskirts would get sand blasted on a rainy day and negleted to have them covered in 3M, hence a porsche rally down to Osoyoos, BC wine country pitted the crap out of them and my new paint will have to be redone this winter!

Thanks for asking...here's some before and after.

Edward

As you have discovered, "Textar" pads are OEM suppliers ...but that does not mean they are identical to "OE" (as in orig equipment, not just the "manufacturer" of orig equip). I've gone through this yeeeaaars ago and also found out the hard way. Buy the Porsche pads in the Porsche box ...sounds lame, but these do not squeak.

FWIW, I've had the real OE pads and no spiders on ...zero squeal for years now. I also have gone through different types of applicants for the backs of pads... the best stuff is LubroMoly's HiTemp grease (in a copper-colored tube). Wow, this stuff along with the Porsche pads render 100% silent braking (even under some track use long ago) ...the very best stuff out there that I've found. Not only great because it works, but it also doesn't dry gummy or nasty so comes off easily should you need to, and is also a great thread lube, as well. Hope that helps ya

Edward

H.H.Chinn

I just did the brakes with OEM Porsche pads from Sunset, with no brake squeal issues and it's been a couple of months now.

arenared911cab

Thanks for the comments! Maybe I'll just swap out the front with "Porsche" pads and re-use the spiders (there's only a thousand or 2 miles on them). The red disc brake quiet can be a little messy when you want to replace pads down the road.

Rob

rsr91128

Rob,

Thanks for posting the pics.

Your car looks great! Whose RS splitters did you use?


Man I have to get rid of those stupid bumperettes.