The Google indicates that said Karim Jamal is a doctor in Texas.

 

Thanks, Chuck.

Yep, Ryan, this is the sort of behavior that I'm used to here.

Thanks, Matt. You've always been easy and fun to deal with. I could tell from your posts that you would be a cool guy.

I was surprised.

It was a decent deal at $1,750 so I thought I'd play the game and up my price. I pushed back a little on the shipping, but, in hindsight, probably would not have balked at the FedEx packaging charge if he had agreed to his advertised price of $1,000.

Even in Disneyland, there are a bunch of Goofy's walking around.

Yep, I tend to be a bit more wary with Rennlisters who have not not interacted with other 'Listers or PCA members but still try to trust. I was once new member and was first shown that Rennlist trust from Robin Sun when he sent me his RSR mufflers without ever having received a dime from me. That feel-good experience helped shape the way I looked at this unique and wonderful forum.

Thanks, Chuck. Hope you've been feeling well.

Hope it helps others, Mark.

Emerald,

Extended family is how I look at Rennlist.

Hey, David,

I know there was no written agreement, but I definitely thought I had a gentleman's agreement.


Thanks, Stephen! I'm happy to have been of help over the years.

Hopefully, the buyer will have had a positive experience.


You're quite welcome, Russ. Nope, I didn't lose money.

LOL, thanks, Chris.



I hope this serves as a lesson for anyone else who is thinking of price jacking and offer shopping.

Nope, no warning whatsoever. If I hadn't emailed him, I daresay he would have never informed me. As it was, I had to email him twice before I got a response.

Jeff,

You did sell me a splitter! I remember our transaction, and it was smooth.



Do what's comfortable for you, but I felt that not letting the board know about my experience was going to potentially perpetuate further transgressions from Karim Jamal and anyone else who wants to try and sell stuff the way he did.

Mr. Alpine Headache (aka alpine advil ),

I don't begrudge Karim for wanting to make money on something that he is selling, but, if he wanted $1,750 or $2,500 or the price du jour, he should have been upfront and, as he put it, straight about it.

Very interesting information. I wonder how many people he had been playing?

What comes around . . . is here in this thread.
Yeah, it's certainly not the end of the world, which is why I initially hesitated on posting my experience.

Everything makes sense except for your last sentence.

the board has been warned.

Hope it all goes well so everyone can move on.
Yep, that's what I gleaned.


I can remember buying my GT3 seats and Sabelt belts from a very nice anesthesiologist (Henry G.) who I had met at a VIR DE. We got to talking about cars and such, whereupon he told me that he had a set of leather buckets and harnesses out of his Boxster. Since he only lived half an hour away from the track, he was willing to bring the seats over to me for my inspection. I pulled the trigger but did not have access to the $2,500 or so that he wanted. What did Henry do? He let me take the seats and said I could just mail him a check. Incredibly cool of him to let a total stranger take his seats without so much as nickel towards a deposit. I guess I have an honest face/demeanor. That was trust and something that I hold dear in our little Porsche transactions, as well as day-to-day life activities.

 

I actually bought swaybars and links from him. He quoted me a price and accurate shipping cost. I told him (via text) that I would take them at that price. Later that day, he took them to Fedex, had them package the stuff, and shipped them before I sent a check.

I'm surprised that this transaction went rotten for you. Perhaps I got lucky.

 

+993 I was just sent a bunch of cab parts for shipping costs only. I was waiting on the price and the seller just said, "Here is the tracking number and the shipping costs. Send me a PayPal when you get a chance". There is a code of conduct here and it is nice to know that most follow it. Sorry for the bad deal Mark. On a side note Mark and I have done business before on expensive parts and knowing who he is the transaction went off without a hitch from both sides.

Mike

 

Just to add some contrast to the discussion.... (and Mark Im not suggesting you did anything wrong.... sucks that it went down like that, you seem to be a stand up guy)

But, the flip side of being a community is looking out for one another. Not only as a seller and being honest and fair, but also as a buyer and not taking advantage of a misinformed seller (IE: selling $8,000 worth of Motons, springs, camberplates, and bars for $1k). I saw and responded to the same ad, at $1k was prepared for it being total scam or the seller not having a clue what he was selling.

 

 

Probably a proctologist, seeing as he's got acting like an ******* down to a science

 

Admirable to be sure, but I would not necessarily advocate sending items just based on trust on RL or any other place.

I don't see why a transaction b/w 2 reasonable individuals cannot be bound by some "real-world" rules. Asking to be paid in full before shipping is generally "real-world". I think the key is to be up-front when negotiating as a seller or buyer. When selling I usually ask for Paypal and tell the buyer I will ship w/in 1 business day after receiving cash (UPS or Fedex unless buyer explicitly prefers otherwise) and send them a tracking # w/in 24 of doing so. If buyer wants to pay by check, I tell them upfront that I will wait for the check to clear my bank before shipping. No obligation - if you don't agree with my terms, no harm no foul, we'll both move on. But I am very upfront about what my "terms" are.

Regarding "under-pricing", I too, have been there, and I have honored the first person who has responded. I just blame myself for not doing enough research, and reconcile myself to the fact I have picked up my share of under-priced items as a buyer.

To one of the respondents - yes, RL Charter EXPLICITLY prohibits auction format in for sale items. Proper protocol if one is not really sure about a price is to do some independent research or if that fails post a "Feeler" or "What's it worth" thread. I think in general you'll find educated opinions and not a conspiracy of low-ballers.

Finally, to Mark, yes you went through a very annoying experience, but look at the bright side, at least you didn't send any monies that you are now having to try and recover.

 

Follow up to the purchase of Karim's car. I just saw it and the new owner. It is sweet!

 

Tis but a silly remark to add a bit o' levity.


Andreas

 

Absolutely right, Robin Sun set the tone and attitude for many of us on Rennlist and for the most part it has carried on. I still will ship out parts or send money knowing that the check and the parts will cross in transit.

This seller should have gone to ebay to play that game or honored the price. I think self policing of Rennlist will keep it a great place to be.

I hope the buyer of the car has a good luck with it.

Cheers!

 

Well just to back up everything said by the OP. I was also the victim of this very unsavory and downright dishonest tactic.
I contacted Karim immediately after he posted the 'ad' for the car. I'm local in Dallas and so this appeared to be a great opportunity to see and drive away my first Pcar. We communicated via email, then on the phone several times over a period of 3 weeks. He talked up the car considerably and it sounded just what I was looking for. I couldn't wait to see it and drive it.

Things started to get a little fishy when he started to leave messages indicating we wanted upwards of $30K for it, which was considerably more than the $25K he said he wanted to get. At this point I hadn't even seen or driven the car, so hard to make a judgement call or agree to anything, right.

Next step was the test drive and I collected it from the dealer where it was having some things done. I drove it around for a while, got a good feel for it and really liked it. I even had a couple of friends take a look who are very familiar with Porsche's and own a couple of 996's.

After the test I got back in contact with Karim to work out the details. He says he has had other interest and now wants $27,500 for it. I didn't appreciate the shady bait and switch approach especially from a fellow Rennlister. This isn't the way I would expect an enthusiast to treat another enthusiast. Be that as it may I liked the car and wanted to complete the transaction. So I agreed to pay $27,500 if he took care of the PPI. He agreed to this arrangement, so I believed we had a verbal contract. Obviously as things have turned out his word means nothing.

Things started to get more suspicious when I couldn't fix a date for the PPI. I was ready to go and had transfered the funds to purchase the car.

In hindsight its clear now he was fishing for better offers and working other deals whilst talking to me. Its clear he has no scruples and is willing to screw over anyone in order to make an extra buck. As the OP stated, Karim, you have very dubious character traits. After all the phone conversations and personal communication I had expected a lot more from you.

KSJCORPUS should be banned from the forum for this type of behavior. Certain standards need to be maintained and respected for this to remain a great place to learn, and do business.

 

I wonder if Mr. Ksjcorpus will grace this thread with his presence?


Andreas

 

+1, this is like a build up to Wrestlemania.

 

From what I understand he was born and raised in Canada and is very educated with a medical degree. I'm positive he knows the difference between right and wrong in this situation. What erks me most is the approach that was taken. It was clear that he had no intention from the outset to sell at the prices stated in his original postings.