Guards Red will fade faster than other colors?
10-16-2008, 03:14 PM
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To clarify...and maybe a paint expert can chime in here...I don't think there is any issue with the red "fading" due to a change in pigment. I think the non-clearcoat surface is softer than a clearcoat, and therefore scratches easier. The fine scratches change the sheen and make it look dull. If left unattended, the surface will also oxidize (like anything) and leave a lighter hue of "junk" on top. If dealt with soon enough, the oxidation can be removed with a good polish and then protected with a good wax as has been said before.
I believe the "depth" of the paint is a function of the amount of surface scratches that affect the reflection of light. Doesn't matter what color it is, the effect is the same, although some colors just show it better (or worse).
I believe the "depth" of the paint is a function of the amount of surface scratches that affect the reflection of light. Doesn't matter what color it is, the effect is the same, although some colors just show it better (or worse).
10-16-2008, 05:28 PM
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I ain't buyin it. OK, the difference of with/without clearcoat makes sense to me. There are loads of silver, white, and certainly black cars out there faded and dull ...maybe the light colors are just less noticible to the causual observer, but faded black is as plain is day.
Unless there is a bona fide paint expert who can testify throughout his (long) entire professional experience that all red pigments are universally more prone to fading than all other pigments, I ain't believing it. It just flies in the face of both my own observation and experience (which of course is no definitive point) as well as logic (where logic would "suggest" that dark colors and black would suffer the worst). Barring such "expert testimony," I'm going with what is much more plausible: care, or lack thereof, for your paint is what dictates longevity.
Edward
Unless there is a bona fide paint expert who can testify throughout his (long) entire professional experience that all red pigments are universally more prone to fading than all other pigments, I ain't believing it. It just flies in the face of both my own observation and experience (which of course is no definitive point) as well as logic (where logic would "suggest" that dark colors and black would suffer the worst). Barring such "expert testimony," I'm going with what is much more plausible: care, or lack thereof, for your paint is what dictates longevity.
Edward
10-16-2008, 08:46 PM
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Interesting, Mark. That's a LOT of reading ...will go through it carefully and will, um, consider the points. 
Thanks for posting, bro!!
Edward
Thanks for posting, bro!!
Edward
10-16-2008, 08:56 PM
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10-16-2008, 09:00 PM
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I've owned 3 GR Porsches and my subjective experience is that red is more prone to oxidation; however, being a non-clear coat color, at least through 1995, it's easier to bring to a brilliant shine because in compounding and polishing you're working on the paint surface not a clear top coat. My body shop tells me that a single stage paint is not an option, even to match my original GR, because of recent regulation regarding solvents, etc.
10-16-2008, 09:22 PM
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Your paint has faded when the expert painter at the expert body shop that you've taken your car to has to adjust the value (usually mix lighter), the paint that he is about to spray onto that new part that will be directly next to the existing paint. Yellows tend to oxidize pretty quickly as well.
10-17-2008, 11:36 AM
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Exactly! Sure some have their idea of the "perfect" color and will shop that way ...so be it. But FWIW, when I was searching for mine (way back in 01), I went in with the "this is my dream car" mindset, and was more concerned with overall condition; color was secondary (though I did exclude black, green, yellow, white; and was hoping for any of the metallics
). G.Red happened to be on the bottom of my "acceptable" list, and I was even reluctant to go see it as it was also 2 hours away. But man, as soon as I saw her, pristine in a 97% kind of way, replete with every receipt and record known to man, I knew she was the one. All of a sudden, G.Red bacame my favorite color Best of luck to you on your hunt!
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10-17-2008, 04:58 PM
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Mark has pretty much nailed it. Clearcoated paint as a whole tends to oxidize less. However, given a choice I prefer single-stage for non-metallics at least. The reason being, with a basecoat/clearcoat finish you are dealing with roughly 2 coats of color then topped with two coats of clear. The clearcoat leayer in my experience tends to be fairly thin and if you buff through the clear you are screwed. AMHIK. However with the single-stage you basically have 4 layers of color to deal with and have greater latitude for removing imperfections.
As far as GR on the 993s, my 96 is single-stage and at 12 years old looks fantastic. It is my understanding that in 97 Porsche went to a basecoat/clearcoat finish for the GR.
As far as GR on the 993s, my 96 is single-stage and at 12 years old looks fantastic. It is my understanding that in 97 Porsche went to a basecoat/clearcoat finish for the GR.
