OT: Very interesting times we live in!
02-21-2008, 01:05 AM
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I think that this will be very interesting.
A fracture is developing in the Democratic party.
Obama will likely win the majority of voting delegates. However, the Clintons are experts at playing hardball and will stop to leave no stone unturned in their quest to win. This is where things will get interesting. Clinton will pull in all the old markers they are owed and may steal defeat out of the jaws of victory, if I may borrow a friend's words.
It is very possible that the Democratic party will see a replay of Election 2000, but this time it will be real and there will be a situation where the popular vote is negated by their own super delegates. Clinton may win, but most of the Democrats will have voted for Obama. This could set the stage for a huge angry backlash within the party. If it reaches critical mass the party could produce an internal coupe and you may see many long time old guard members get thrown to the wolves.
The only thing that seems certain is that it will be interesting.
A fracture is developing in the Democratic party.
Obama will likely win the majority of voting delegates. However, the Clintons are experts at playing hardball and will stop to leave no stone unturned in their quest to win. This is where things will get interesting. Clinton will pull in all the old markers they are owed and may steal defeat out of the jaws of victory, if I may borrow a friend's words.
It is very possible that the Democratic party will see a replay of Election 2000, but this time it will be real and there will be a situation where the popular vote is negated by their own super delegates. Clinton may win, but most of the Democrats will have voted for Obama. This could set the stage for a huge angry backlash within the party. If it reaches critical mass the party could produce an internal coupe and you may see many long time old guard members get thrown to the wolves.
The only thing that seems certain is that it will be interesting.
In my opinion the results would look like this...
McCain v Clinton = McCain
McCain v Obama = Obama
02-21-2008, 02:43 AM
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I study cycles. Economic, political, social, weather, etc.
Everything points to a Democrat win in '08. The end of a forty year political cycle coinciding with the end of a sixty year socialogical/political/economic cycle. That the harmonics of these two major cycles are converging is significant. It is not surprising that the word of the day is "change".
Change indeed. Nothing more than history repeating itself. Another cycle.
I've spent the last eight years positioning myself for this one. A major event.
02-21-2008, 04:05 AM
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I thought it was interesting that the dems had a female and a black man as the front runners, I initially thought they were just making it harder for themselves. But I also wasn't impressed with Republicans, except Ron Paul, but he is too extreme (which is a joke) for most people. I don't think we will see any real good changes in any event from this election. More of the same, more laws being created to control people and more redistribution of wealth through taxes and regulation.
02-21-2008, 04:13 AM
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For what it is worth, from where I sit, I don't think Obama or Hilary have the horses to make it to the Whitehouse and too much of their energy is being expended on Democratic infighting. I think McCain will pull together the conservative and moderate Republicans and will have a more united party and be voted into the Presidency.
From a Canadian economic viewpoint, I do hope for a Republican President but I have to say, compared to what we have, I prefer your political system to ours. Enjoy your election process and I hope you all get what you want.
Bob
From a Canadian economic viewpoint, I do hope for a Republican President but I have to say, compared to what we have, I prefer your political system to ours. Enjoy your election process and I hope you all get what you want.
Bob
02-21-2008, 08:11 AM
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Hi Mark,
I study cycles. Economic, political, social, weather, etc.
Everything points to a Democrat win in '08. The end of a forty year political cycle coinciding with the end of a sixty year socialogical/political/economic cycle. That the harmonics of these two major cycles are converging is significant. It is not surprising that the word of the day is "change".
Change indeed. Nothing more than history repeating itself. Another cycle.
I've spent the last eight years positioning myself for this one. A major event.
I study cycles. Economic, political, social, weather, etc.
Everything points to a Democrat win in '08. The end of a forty year political cycle coinciding with the end of a sixty year socialogical/political/economic cycle. That the harmonics of these two major cycles are converging is significant. It is not surprising that the word of the day is "change".
Change indeed. Nothing more than history repeating itself. Another cycle.
I've spent the last eight years positioning myself for this one. A major event.
We'll see in November!
Last edited by Mark in Baltimore; 02-21-2008 at 09:44 AM. Reason: added parentheses for clarity
02-21-2008, 09:29 AM
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Hi Mark,
I study cycles. Economic, political, social, weather, etc.
Everything points to a Democrat win in '08. The end of a forty year political cycle coinciding with the end of a sixty year socialogical/political/economic cycle. That the harmonics of these two major cycles are converging is significant. It is not surprising that the word of the day is "change".
Change indeed. Nothing more than history repeating itself. Another cycle.
I've spent the last eight years positioning myself for this one. A major event.
I study cycles. Economic, political, social, weather, etc.
Everything points to a Democrat win in '08. The end of a forty year political cycle coinciding with the end of a sixty year socialogical/political/economic cycle. That the harmonics of these two major cycles are converging is significant. It is not surprising that the word of the day is "change".
Change indeed. Nothing more than history repeating itself. Another cycle.
I've spent the last eight years positioning myself for this one. A major event.
I think Kerry could have made it last time, except for his totally repulsive wife.
02-21-2008, 01:25 PM
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I agree, as much as I hate to say it. The US is far behind other countries regarding equality. It really is a shame how many racist and sexist individuals there are in this country. I am disappointed (as usual) that the democratic party chose such a critical time to run candidates of such potential polarization.
02-21-2008, 01:55 PM
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What disgusts me about this election is that the first genuine war hero we've had run since JFK (McCain) is likely to get squashed by Obama.
8 years of the Bush nightmare finishing with a recession cherry on top has us so disillusioned and desperate that we have placed a premium on promises of "CHANGE" and charisma, and seem to be willing to take a chance on whomever best represents that, even if he only has 2 years of experience at the Federal level.
BTW- the new/old Adrienne avatar is much better!
02-21-2008, 01:56 PM
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I disagree.
I think the US is not as far behind as you perceive. The fallacy here is that if Obama or Hillary (whoever gets the nod) are not elected then the US is racist, sexist, not progressive, not open, etc. I call BS on that.
If they are not elected then they are not the leaders that people want to lead this country. Personally I am not a huge McCain fan but I think my wallet and our National Security are safer with him than the other two choices.
Sure you are going to have people that will vote AGAINST someone just because of their race or gender ... but then again I think you will have more people voting for Obama because he is black or for Hillary because she is a women. I personally think both (voting for or against because of those superficial reasons) are wrong.
I personally would like to see McCain pick Condalezza Rice for his VP ... now THAT would stir things up.
Regardless ... this is going to be an interesting election season ... enjoy!
I think the US is not as far behind as you perceive. The fallacy here is that if Obama or Hillary (whoever gets the nod) are not elected then the US is racist, sexist, not progressive, not open, etc. I call BS on that.
If they are not elected then they are not the leaders that people want to lead this country. Personally I am not a huge McCain fan but I think my wallet and our National Security are safer with him than the other two choices.
Sure you are going to have people that will vote AGAINST someone just because of their race or gender ... but then again I think you will have more people voting for Obama because he is black or for Hillary because she is a women. I personally think both (voting for or against because of those superficial reasons) are wrong.
I personally would like to see McCain pick Condalezza Rice for his VP ... now THAT would stir things up.
Regardless ... this is going to be an interesting election season ... enjoy!
02-21-2008, 02:57 PM
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Not always, but often enough, cycles end in extremes. When that occurs, directional change can be abrupt and swift. While it may not appear logical at the time, it is. Usually unforeseen by majority thought, yet, ironically, majority thought ushers it in. The rules do not change.
02-21-2008, 03:03 PM
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02-21-2008, 03:28 PM
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"You're kidding...right? She's a goose-stepping cog in the Bible-thumpin,' queer-hatin,' war mongerin' Rove-Bush Neo-Con Machine! "
Ahh the rantings of a left wing socialist, anytime i hear the word Neo-con i know theres no hope. Screw it lets just go communist now and get it over with, im sick of freedom anyhow. Freedom and small government who stays the hell out of my life is totally overrated. Higher taxes and wealth redistribution rule!!!
Ill take them over a moron who wont wear an american flag on his lapel but has a cuban flag in his campaign office with a picture of a murderous dictator thug, Che Guevara... if that doesnt send up a red flag then there is no hope for you and the rest of the american idol watching zombies!!!!!
But hey at least we still have enough freedom where you can vote for someone like that if you want ( thank you american military!!!!!!!) and you do drive a kick *** car so ill give you the benefit of the doubt.
Ahh the rantings of a left wing socialist, anytime i hear the word Neo-con i know theres no hope. Screw it lets just go communist now and get it over with, im sick of freedom anyhow. Freedom and small government who stays the hell out of my life is totally overrated. Higher taxes and wealth redistribution rule!!!
Ill take them over a moron who wont wear an american flag on his lapel but has a cuban flag in his campaign office with a picture of a murderous dictator thug, Che Guevara... if that doesnt send up a red flag then there is no hope for you and the rest of the american idol watching zombies!!!!!
But hey at least we still have enough freedom where you can vote for someone like that if you want ( thank you american military!!!!!!!) and you do drive a kick *** car so ill give you the benefit of the doubt.
