Fabspeed Products vs. Stock
01-17-2008, 10:02 PM
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Eclou WE'VE HAD NO PROBLEMS FITTING THE 993TT SPORTCAT/CATBYPASS pipes on ANY/ALL 993TT vehicles where installment was at Fabspeed. For those who are not mechanically inclined and could not get the pipes to fit, let the doctor's do the surgery. I understand that some were having fitment problems, this is why we manufactured a "Modular Sportcat/Catbypass" system. We at Fabspeed want our products to be easily installed by anybody, even those who have no prior knowledge on how to install anything.
01-17-2008, 10:04 PM
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Thank you! Exactly what I did here and will continue to do. Can't tell you how much I appreciate your concern.
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01-17-2008, 10:11 PM
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Vrus 9/9/07 professional installation
Jussi 9/14/2007
Barney1 12/18/07 self installation, aircraft mechanic by trade
me 12/27/07 self installation
Johnneurauter 12/29/07
I want Fabspeed to understand that it is in my interest for them to continue R&D and making products. I don't think anyone wants Fabspeed to quit making products or leave the market at all. By bringing forth issues it only serves to hopefully improve the quality of products. I have Fabspeed products on 2 of my 3 Porsches. Granted, the cat pipes on the 993's are of a complex shape and not a very easy item to duplicate. The newer modular and adjustable system should help improve fitment. I just think it is at best misleading to imply that the previous products for the 993 market fit perfectly, or that we were too inept to install them ourselves.
The Fabspeed sportcats & mufflers ended up causing me some trouble.. They didnt fit properly so I had to send them back. After having the installation shop spend pretty much a full day putting in and taking out we finally gave up and shipped everything back. Fabspeed is replacing everything with new pieces rather than fixing the ones I sent. They tell me I should have them Monday or Tuesday... I'll try another install this week.. Hopefully that will wrap up that part of the project. Its a bit aggravating but at least they are working with me to correct the problems.
Here, I should have been published these pictures also here before but first I didn't want to blame them but now.. I have written to them many times during 1.5 year but they never even answered anything.
Barney1 12/18/07 self installation, aircraft mechanic by trade
Tell me how bad the fit was...I went through 3 sets with fabspeed before I had them reworked to fit by a friend. They should spend more time fitting the pipes instead of polishing them.
The pipes had fitment issues from the heater ducts being too long, and one post-cat O2 sensor bung location was impossibly close to the crankcase. The O2 sensor could only be installed with the pipe off the car, and even then the O2 sensor wiring end is resting against the block.
Johnneurauter 12/29/07
my fabspeed experience was very poor. still trying to source silicon heating duct to make up for the very poor fitment. took me over a month to get the cats from them in the first place (of course they charged my card right away and told me they'd be in the mail in 3 days). then they forgot some of the mounting brackets, which they argued i must have just thrown out. when i finally got everything, the fitment still blew. i have one tip hanging lower than the other.
i was in direct contact with joe, who seemed nice enough, but just didn't want to acknowledge there was an issue with the pipes, despite the ultra-convincing photos i sent to him and about a dozen other people. everyone else agreed there was something definitely wrong, joe disagreed with us all.
i don't mean to trash talk here, but i tried to resolve the issue with them to my wits end. and finally got so tired of waiting to put my car back together that i decided to just live with it.
i was in direct contact with joe, who seemed nice enough, but just didn't want to acknowledge there was an issue with the pipes, despite the ultra-convincing photos i sent to him and about a dozen other people. everyone else agreed there was something definitely wrong, joe disagreed with us all.
i don't mean to trash talk here, but i tried to resolve the issue with them to my wits end. and finally got so tired of waiting to put my car back together that i decided to just live with it.
I want Fabspeed to understand that it is in my interest for them to continue R&D and making products. I don't think anyone wants Fabspeed to quit making products or leave the market at all. By bringing forth issues it only serves to hopefully improve the quality of products. I have Fabspeed products on 2 of my 3 Porsches. Granted, the cat pipes on the 993's are of a complex shape and not a very easy item to duplicate. The newer modular and adjustable system should help improve fitment. I just think it is at best misleading to imply that the previous products for the 993 market fit perfectly, or that we were too inept to install them ourselves.
01-17-2008, 10:16 PM
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In the interest of full disclosure, I think it's fair to say that everybody eclou posted is a TT owner, and the relative rarity (and resulting smaller market segment) of TTs may account for certain fitment issues compared to a more popular (N/A) product.
01-17-2008, 10:42 PM
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01-17-2008, 11:24 PM
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I innocently wandered into this thread. Things are a little slow on the 964 forum. Come on back.
Presently, I've a Fabspeed cat bypass on my RSA. The quality matches, perhaps surpasses, the other Porsche exhaust parts. Okay with those who have pointedly questioned Fabspeeds weights. Truth is a great release.
For all the China bashing(I could add my own), few of you in your newer homes can not flush a toilet or cook a meal without benefiting from the reduced cost of China sourcing. With respect to all, it's much more complex than the simplified thoughts given by some.
01-18-2008, 03:08 AM
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Why should I accept the practice that companies want to take my mony for their producs, but won't allow me to make any money by manufacturing those products ? If I can't make money how am I going to afford said stuff ?
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01-18-2008, 09:44 AM
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Bob,
I innocently wandered into this thread. Things are a little slow on the 964 forum. Come on back.
Presently, I've a Fabspeed cat bypass on my RSA. The quality matches, perhaps surpasses, the other Porsche exhaust parts. Okay with those who have pointedly questioned Fabspeeds weights. Truth is a great release.
For all the China bashing(I could add my own), few of you in your newer homes can not flush a toilet or cook a meal without benefiting from the reduced cost of China sourcing. With respect to all, it's much more complex than the simplified thoughts given by some.
I innocently wandered into this thread. Things are a little slow on the 964 forum. Come on back.
Presently, I've a Fabspeed cat bypass on my RSA. The quality matches, perhaps surpasses, the other Porsche exhaust parts. Okay with those who have pointedly questioned Fabspeeds weights. Truth is a great release.
For all the China bashing(I could add my own), few of you in your newer homes can not flush a toilet or cook a meal without benefiting from the reduced cost of China sourcing. With respect to all, it's much more complex than the simplified thoughts given by some.
01-18-2008, 12:26 PM
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I agree that this thread has gone awry. It started as a 993 thread with common questions/answers/compliments/contradictions and now it is a complete bashing with Eclou holding the hammer.
We're adults here with a common interest in Porsche performance. We made a product that "some" did not like, so we remade the product so that "all" will like.
01-18-2008, 01:10 PM
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The modular system is a great idea. What drove you to develop it? My guess was the multiple complaints received. Feedback has driven you to produce an improved product. This is a positive outcome from which everybody benefits, and more constructive than assuming/asserting that the end users/installers are incapable of properly fitting the product (is Imagine Auto incompetent?)
I actually have a theory for a possible reason why some of the 993tt products might not fit perfectly (assuming the jigs and products are without flaws). I have seen quite a few 993tt's who have scraped or impacted the underside of the exhaust tips and cats. In theory, this could deform either the mounts for the cats/exhaust or the cat/exhaust tubing itself enough to cause some alignment deviations from factory. It would also be possible that the original jigs could have been based on a car that had some deviation from factory exhaust alignments.
I actually have a theory for a possible reason why some of the 993tt products might not fit perfectly (assuming the jigs and products are without flaws). I have seen quite a few 993tt's who have scraped or impacted the underside of the exhaust tips and cats. In theory, this could deform either the mounts for the cats/exhaust or the cat/exhaust tubing itself enough to cause some alignment deviations from factory. It would also be possible that the original jigs could have been based on a car that had some deviation from factory exhaust alignments.
01-18-2008, 02:06 PM
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Yes Eclou your theories may be right. The 993TT vehicle seems to have variants underneath which are different from vehicle to vehicle. The jig stays the same but the car changes is what seems to be the problem. This new modular system will relieve any/all problems with fitment AND you will have the sportcat/catbypass feature in one pipe.
