Neurotic Seller Story - UPDATED
01-17-2008, 10:40 AM
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You assume way too much.Like I told you in my EMail to you.Yea I know Jason and While he was passing through Carmel the other day,he stopped to look at my C2S I have had For Sale.We also compared notes on Twin Turbo's as I am buying one as well.
He told me the story of you jerking him around.I asked him if it would be OK to contact you in regards to your Turbo,since he didn't think you both could come to terms with what had been said
I am a legit cash buyer.I sold my car and as you will see in a few days a picture of another Turbo I am real close to buying
If you would have just answered the questions I asked about your car in a polite manner and not be a smart ***,sending me a nasty EMail making all these absurd claims about myself and Jason.Like I told you before, you now have just blown off 2 serious Cash buyers
If your car is so nice with just 25,000 miles why have both the Front and Rear bumper covers been repainted?
You assume way too much.Like I told you in my EMail to you.Yea I know Jason and While he was passing through Carmel the other day,he stopped to look at my C2S I have had For Sale.We also compared notes on Twin Turbo's as I am buying one as well.
He told me the story of you jerking him around.I asked him if it would be OK to contact you in regards to your Turbo,since he didn't think you both could come to terms with what had been said
I am a legit cash buyer.I sold my car and as you will see in a few days a picture of another Turbo I am real close to buying
If you would have just answered the questions I asked about your car in a polite manner and not be a smart ***,sending me a nasty EMail making all these absurd claims about myself and Jason.Like I told you before, you now have just blown off 2 serious Cash buyers
If your car is so nice with just 25,000 miles why have both the Front and Rear bumper covers been repainted?
01-17-2008, 10:43 AM
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I do know my car in and out and the tech who has worked on it forthe last 5 years in Florida spoke at length re the car to the prospective buyer with glowing remarks-only a dealer could ship a car with refund ie Motor cars intl - way too complicated.
AGAIN- NO ONE IS DISPUTING A PROPER PPI-it is ust the question if a buyer is serious he would be there to see the car for the first time and also to get first hand report
AGAIN- NO ONE IS DISPUTING A PROPER PPI-it is ust the question if a buyer is serious he would be there to see the car for the first time and also to get first hand report
01-17-2008, 10:46 AM
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bumpers are repainted all the time- front bumper had rock chips and the rear was dented in by backing into a bush- my 06 cab had the rear repainted already bc it bot dented in- a real disaster!!!!!!
01-17-2008, 10:48 AM
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Too much time on my hands, its ticking away with my sanity
Ive got too much time on my hands, its hard to believe such a calamity
Ive got too much time on my hands and its ticking away from me
Too much time on my hands, too much time on my hands
Too much time on my hands
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntzCi1lu2ys
I could not help myself !
Ive got too much time on my hands, its hard to believe such a calamity
Ive got too much time on my hands and its ticking away from me
Too much time on my hands, too much time on my hands
Too much time on my hands
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntzCi1lu2ys
I could not help myself !
01-17-2008, 10:51 AM
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Guys - Lets get something straight here. I believe Richards car IS in good shape. Im not sure of anything wrong with it. It has great history and maintained by a great tech.
This is NOT a story of a junk car for sale. Its quite the opposite. Its the story of someone with a NICE car for sale, that for whatever reason, doesn't want to do what it takes to sell it. Why? I dont know. At this point I assume its because they don't like me. Maybe they just changed their mind. Truth is they are allowed to.
I simply posted this to let folks know (if they dont already) that I am trying to find a nice car and running into some weird situations. I mean, who cant find the time to get a PPI done on a car they are selling at full asking price? The answer is: someone that does not want to sell. Again thats fine.
But dont call me a tirekicker and time waster.
This is NOT a story of a junk car for sale. Its quite the opposite. Its the story of someone with a NICE car for sale, that for whatever reason, doesn't want to do what it takes to sell it. Why? I dont know. At this point I assume its because they don't like me. Maybe they just changed their mind. Truth is they are allowed to.
I simply posted this to let folks know (if they dont already) that I am trying to find a nice car and running into some weird situations. I mean, who cant find the time to get a PPI done on a car they are selling at full asking price? The answer is: someone that does not want to sell. Again thats fine.
But dont call me a tirekicker and time waster.
01-17-2008, 10:53 AM
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Not be a devil's advocate, but if you all are such busy people with cash in hand, go to a specialist dealer or a buying consultant. That's what they're there for. If you want to scour the U.S. yourself looking for a perfect deal, you'll probably have to devote some precious time to flying around on airplanes.
01-17-2008, 10:54 AM
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To quote Mark in Baltimore- "if everything you are saying is true....... there are two sides to every story."
Lets set the record straight- I have sold 5 P cars in the last 5 years 07 GT3 and 04GT3 both sold without even an inspection/ 3 other P cars all of which were bought by out of town buyers who PPI cars BUT WERE THERE PHYSICALLY as SERIOUS INTERESTED buyers.
I never said all RLers are a--------. Yes I dont have 450 posts in 3 months and never owned a P car and come across as an expert. I will put up my email to Jason as proof- so why did he say this. To incite this group for sympathy? I did say that with the internet as a shield there are sooooo many more tire kickers and time wasters posing as serious buyers who could not get away with this crap physically at a P dealer.
Jason was not given the run around as he says just bc I wont take a deposit which is meaningless in the car biz and is always refundable regardless. Also Jason did not offer me asking price- I would not accept his initial offer.
Why does Jasons friend from Ca. email me for pics, info and want to know best price when his friend is in the middle of a deal- something fishy here! So, I called the owner of the last car Jason PPI in Omaha and the seller felt his time was completely wasted, given no reason for the failed purchase, and was stiffed for the PPI. So I told J to fly to Florida with $ and come and see drive touch this car and we could go forward if so interested- and not rely on others evaluations or opinions as to condition- if you cant find the time to physically inspect the car you want to buy and be present during a PPI ?? I have the right to ? your sincerity regardless of a deposit. In the end most anything wrong from a PPI can be fixed- these are only cars! Also I was to have the car PPI without Jason and wait two weeks for him to come and do a physical inspection post passed PPI.
This car was for sale in 2006 only as personal circumstances dictated reductionof my car colllection but I sold a GT3 instead as no deal panned out- I did have two RL contact me in 07 from an old Pano magazine from 06 but the car wasnt for sale.
This car is seriously for sale as I have lost interest in it- that plain and simple and I still have one other P car plus many others.
This is the other side of the story the whole truth and nothing but......
Lets set the record straight- I have sold 5 P cars in the last 5 years 07 GT3 and 04GT3 both sold without even an inspection/ 3 other P cars all of which were bought by out of town buyers who PPI cars BUT WERE THERE PHYSICALLY as SERIOUS INTERESTED buyers.
I never said all RLers are a--------. Yes I dont have 450 posts in 3 months and never owned a P car and come across as an expert. I will put up my email to Jason as proof- so why did he say this. To incite this group for sympathy? I did say that with the internet as a shield there are sooooo many more tire kickers and time wasters posing as serious buyers who could not get away with this crap physically at a P dealer.
Jason was not given the run around as he says just bc I wont take a deposit which is meaningless in the car biz and is always refundable regardless. Also Jason did not offer me asking price- I would not accept his initial offer.
Why does Jasons friend from Ca. email me for pics, info and want to know best price when his friend is in the middle of a deal- something fishy here! So, I called the owner of the last car Jason PPI in Omaha and the seller felt his time was completely wasted, given no reason for the failed purchase, and was stiffed for the PPI. So I told J to fly to Florida with $ and come and see drive touch this car and we could go forward if so interested- and not rely on others evaluations or opinions as to condition- if you cant find the time to physically inspect the car you want to buy and be present during a PPI ?? I have the right to ? your sincerity regardless of a deposit. In the end most anything wrong from a PPI can be fixed- these are only cars! Also I was to have the car PPI without Jason and wait two weeks for him to come and do a physical inspection post passed PPI.
This car was for sale in 2006 only as personal circumstances dictated reductionof my car colllection but I sold a GT3 instead as no deal panned out- I did have two RL contact me in 07 from an old Pano magazine from 06 but the car wasnt for sale.
This car is seriously for sale as I have lost interest in it- that plain and simple and I still have one other P car plus many others.
This is the other side of the story the whole truth and nothing but......
Just because you have sold cars in the past without PPI's does not mean a future owner is going to be comfortable buying a car without a PPI. Also, one of the reasons a buyer does a PPI when he's not close enough to easily look at the car is . . . to have the shop of the buyers choice look at the car for the buyer. I can see circumstances where a buyer might fly up to be present at the PPI, but many buyers use the PPI as the second test of a car's worthiness. Moreover, your rationale does not take into account the scenario where a buyer has a PPI done, is not present and has the car shipped. IMO, the buyer in this situation is no less serious.
I'd like to hear what Jason and the other seller have to say about the still-born transaction. Also, it sounds like you just didn't feel like dealing with Jason and his friend. Not every transaction is identical nor are they all easy, but that's just life.
With regard to the effectiveness of a deposit, Chuck has it right. The deposit is a show of good faith. Yes, it is refundable, but that money is in your hands, so you have the most control. Unless a buyer has a family member who is in the mob, he would have to go to great legal lengths to get that money back from you.
I've sold many, many cars and have just have not dealt with too many tirekickers. Perhaps you are attracting them to you? Just because someone looks at the car and doesn't want to pull the trigger doesn't make him any less serious. I'm in real estate, so maybe my patience is much higher.
Good luck with the sale of your car. I don't think your posting helped sell it any better, but that's just my opinion.
01-17-2008, 11:04 AM
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Jason travels alot with his work.He told me in are very first EMail about your car that he would be in Calf working and couldn't get to Florida for about 10 days.He also thought your car would be sold by then.He really wanted to buy your car and after his first offer he stepped up and offered you FULL asking price
Do you really think he would ask a fellow Rennlister to drive an hour to look at your car and waste his time as well as yours?
Now you are going to get more buyers wanting the same things that Jason ask for.You are going to spend alot more time with other buyers showing the car than if you would of just agreed to the PPI.
Do you really think he would ask a fellow Rennlister to drive an hour to look at your car and waste his time as well as yours?
Now you are going to get more buyers wanting the same things that Jason ask for.You are going to spend alot more time with other buyers showing the car than if you would of just agreed to the PPI.
01-17-2008, 11:04 AM
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While I've had PPIs done on the last 2 P-cars I've purchased (both in FL), I've been present for neither. In one case, it resulted in renegotiation of the price and in the other it was glowing. In both cases I flew down ready to pay and do the deal but reserved the right to back out on inspection. In both cases, the deal proceeded without a hitch. The PPI is a screening tool - while it might be nice to be present, in no way should that be required.
01-17-2008, 11:04 AM
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01-17-2008, 11:06 AM
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SA Mike - Seller refuses a PPI. A deal breaker for me.
01-17-2008, 11:08 AM
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Granted I've only purchased 3 P-cars but I've had PPI's done on all of them. I wasn't there for any of the PPI's because if the PPI showed any major flaw I would have been out not only the cost of the PPI but also the airline ticket and the time it took to travel there.
There have been many people on this board that have had PPI's come back with bad results and passed on the cars, if they had also had to arrange last minute flights to return home that would have been additional expense on top of paying for a PPI.
I think it's totally unrealistic to expect a prospective buyer to be physically there before you allow a PPI to be done. However, I would expect the buyer to pay for the PPI up front, directly to the shop performing the work. JMHO
There have been many people on this board that have had PPI's come back with bad results and passed on the cars, if they had also had to arrange last minute flights to return home that would have been additional expense on top of paying for a PPI.
I think it's totally unrealistic to expect a prospective buyer to be physically there before you allow a PPI to be done. However, I would expect the buyer to pay for the PPI up front, directly to the shop performing the work. JMHO