G50/31 Gearbox Installed -WOW!
05-31-2007, 05:57 PM
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I asked Gert about this and this is his response (hopefully Gert is OK with this)..
"We use to look for these G50/21 gearboxes but as these cars get older, it becomes more difficult to find good ones of which I can be 100% sure.
I cannot afford to sell a worn out one to someone on the other side of the planet.
I do know of a new G50/21-2 that was ordered from Porsche and was never installed.
It has been sitting on a dealers shelf since a couple years.
The price for this new G50/21-2 ("2" stands for LSD) is 7200 Euro shipping to the US included."
That works out to about $9687 US and you get to keep your old tranny. If you can get some money for your old tranny you can get this /21 for pretty close to a rebuilt /31. The /31 sounds like it has better ratios. Anyone ping Sunset to see what the "wholesale" price would be.
I don't get why the gears are so expensive. Is it just Porsche greed-fest or are they made of some materials that really are expensive?
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Mike
"We use to look for these G50/21 gearboxes but as these cars get older, it becomes more difficult to find good ones of which I can be 100% sure.
I cannot afford to sell a worn out one to someone on the other side of the planet.
I do know of a new G50/21-2 that was ordered from Porsche and was never installed.
It has been sitting on a dealers shelf since a couple years.
The price for this new G50/21-2 ("2" stands for LSD) is 7200 Euro shipping to the US included."
That works out to about $9687 US and you get to keep your old tranny. If you can get some money for your old tranny you can get this /21 for pretty close to a rebuilt /31. The /31 sounds like it has better ratios. Anyone ping Sunset to see what the "wholesale" price would be.
I don't get why the gears are so expensive. Is it just Porsche greed-fest or are they made of some materials that really are expensive?
Cheers,
Mike
05-31-2007, 07:40 PM
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Mike-
Just specualting, but I think its that ANYTHING 993, and even moreso... RS related items that were produced in limited numbers gives them the "right" to jack the price sky high.... its crazy!
Just specualting, but I think its that ANYTHING 993, and even moreso... RS related items that were produced in limited numbers gives them the "right" to jack the price sky high.... its crazy!
05-31-2007, 11:29 PM
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That long first gear....
is especially helpful for racing, assuming the race starts from a rolling start. That is how Porsche Owners Club races start. The pole sitter sets the pace...it is anything he/she wans it to be.
05-31-2007, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AC993C2S
Mike-
Just specualting, but I think its that ANYTHING 993, and even moreso... RS related items that were produced in limited numbers gives them the "right" to jack the price sky high.... its crazy!
Just specualting, but I think its that ANYTHING 993, and even moreso... RS related items that were produced in limited numbers gives them the "right" to jack the price sky high.... its crazy!
+1^...
Has anyone tried to get one from Getrag (the manufacturer)???
06-01-2007, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonAndreas
The MSRP on a remanufactured /31 box (950-300-020-NX) is $7514.53USD + core exchange ($2500ish?). The MSRP for the /32 gearbox (950-300-020-QX) is $11423.42USD + core exchange (obviously available for thousands less from the mail-order Porsche dealerships). And if at all possible, before you spend this kind of money for a 993 that doesn't live its entire life on a track that you find someone that has already done this upgrade with a similar mods to yours and do an acceleration test with both cars.
I purchased my 31/ through Sunset, last September. Not available for "obviously thousands less". Hundreds less, yes. Awaiting your source.
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06-01-2007, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonAndreas
And if at all possible, before you spend this kind of money for a 993 that doesn't live its entire life on a track that you find someone that has already done this upgrade with a similar mods to yours and do an acceleration test with both cars.
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06-04-2007, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by N51
I do question the "obviously available for thousands less". Please provide information to everyone, for the benefit of all.
Originally Posted by N51
Very different things.
06-04-2007, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonAndreas
The wholesale price for the /31 is $5560.73USD and $8453.34USD for the /32 so Sunset would sell them for ~$2K less than MSRP. There are one or two others offering similar or better deals and a few non-dealers that will quote you a better price for basically doing nothing other than putting a new shipping label on a crate and calling a trucking company.
I agree its a different but people are being sold a $10K (50HP equivalent) performance upgrade for cars that don't spend any time on a track. And on the street that is not what they are getting. My new camera records video so I guess it might be time to make one.
I agree its a different but people are being sold a $10K (50HP equivalent) performance upgrade for cars that don't spend any time on a track. And on the street that is not what they are getting. My new camera records video so I guess it might be time to make one.
Still not following you. Last fall, I purchased my /31 through Sunset for substantially more than you are now quoting. Without looking at my notes, the core charge was ~$1570(against the/31) As previously stated, add another ~$1000 to that if you go with the /32. All information from real experience in dealing with Sunset. Great service. Bob and Jeff were the best. No regrets.
It's been mentioned by myself and others before; the new box comes with a two year, unlimited mileage warrantee.
Noah
PS: Still awaiting your sources for a great buy.
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06-04-2007, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RallyJon
Just out of curiosity, does your price list show a G64/21?
Originally Posted by N51
Still not following you. Last fall, I purchased my /31 through Sunset for substantially more than you are now quoting.
If the wholesale for a /31 is $5560.73USD they will quote you $6394.84USD (cost + 15%) + core. If someone wants a better deal they need to call around and start asking. I try to only post MSRP.
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Bob and Jeff were the best
06-04-2007, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonAndreas
I only know the MSRP for 964-300-020-JX which is $7064.90USD, no idea on the wholesale. In the past, a lot of big ticket items at wholesale were close to 50% of MSRP but that doesn't appear to be the case anymore?
Try them again. If the wholesale for a /31 is $5560.73USD they will quote you $6394.84USD (cost + 15%) + core. If someone wants a better deal they need to call around and start asking. I try to only post MSRP.
Absolutely! I buy almost everything from them.
Try them again.
If the wholesale for a /31 is $5560.73USD they will quote you $6394.84USD (cost + 15%) + core. If someone wants a better deal they need to call around and start asking. I try to only post MSRP.Absolutely! I buy almost everything from them.
I do not like coming up against you. You're a valued resource, and have been most beneficial to me. But in this case, only one of us is speaking from experience. I hope you and others may see it the same.
With regard to gearing, here is what Porsche did with the 964 C2 vs. 964RS.
C2
I 3.500
II 2.059
III 1.407
IV 1.086
V 0.868
964 RS
I 3.154
II 1.895
III1.407
IV 1.086
V 0.868
Read and understand. Porsche knew what they were doing.
As I've mentioned before, the 993 has the most to benefit from regearing vs. the 964. Bill is been my mentor in this, he gave me the push, Jean cut the rope. :-)
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06-05-2007, 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by N51
I do not like coming up against you. You're a valued resource, and have been most beneficial to me.
And we're posting on a web forum so please don't think your "coming up against" me. I don't take anything said here personally and hope others are the same way. I'm a lot more interested in learning what is correct rather than thinking that I'm right. This place is supposed to be fun, not a competition.
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But in this case, only one of us is speaking from experience. I hope you and others may see it the same.
06-05-2007, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Leland Pate
I agree with Monique in that the LWF makes the car harder to drive in traffic. You really have to pay attention to what you're doing to get going from a stop. My car is a blast to drive with the current setup. I don't think I could ever go back to a stock gearbox. I can only echo the sentiments made by others (Bill, Steve W., Mark, etc.) and say that this is the signle best mod to a 993 to increase performance. My buddy can't keep up with me in his new Boxster S unless we are on very tight roads that don't allow me to wind it out. He is sold on the close ratios and he isn't even a 993 owner.
I installed the gearbox myself so it didn't cost me as much as some. It's sad to see these parts becoming so rare and expensive as Porsche slowly stops supporting the older models.
I installed the gearbox myself so it didn't cost me as much as some. It's sad to see these parts becoming so rare and expensive as Porsche slowly stops supporting the older models.
