Schroth has a new set of harnesses that are 2" over the HANS, then back to 3" at the camlock.

Does anyone know of bodies who would NOT accept that setup, e.g. specific Porsche regions for DE, NASA, SCCA, Club, etc. etc. etc.?

Standard, then HANS version shown below.

 

The HANS specific hybrid harnesses are legal in PCA and NASA per national rules (as are the 2" lap belts that go with them). It's kind of hard for any group to say that an FIA certified belt is not sufficient/legal.

I installed and used the Schroth HANS hybrid last year (with the 2" pull up lap belts). It's amazing how much nicer they are than the standard 3" Schroth belts (with pull down laps). They are much easier to adjust and get snug (the 2" lap helps a lot) and just seem to fit better.

 

The first one in the pic is NOT a HANS. The HANS requires a 2" over the HANS and then goes to 3" in the sternum area. The Schroth Profi II is has a 2" lap and also a HANS shoulder option (or standard 3" shoulder). There are Profi IIIs for 3" lap with or without the HANS and as Tom mention there is a Hybrid belt (sub loops over the lap and no clip in bracket). I am a Schroth Master Distributor if you have any questions on them.. Schroth is all I sell or use...

 

I used the wrong terminology - by hybrid i meant the 2" to 3" shoulder belts specific to HANS use. I have the Profi II HANS (and love it).

 

So Bob, maybe you can answer...I'm getting conflicting info on whether "sitting on the sub" for 6 pt is ok or not. I THINK, that it is probably not unless you pretightened it so much that it would be ridiculously uncomfy (unless I was not in a 993 but instead in a single seater very inclined seat ala' Formula 1). Does that seem right?

The question behind the question on this is I"m trying to figure out if I have to drill to mount a 6 pt with race seats ina 993. Make sense?

 

WOW, I didn't realize that the Hans required a 2" shoulder harness Soo my 3" won't pass tech with the new Hans I just ordered for the Speedfest

I'll check the Hans site, Thanks for the heads up !

 

I just spent part of my afternoon at OGRacing and asked about the 2" shoulder HANS belt. The answer was that 3" shoulder belts WORK FINE and that HANS recommends 3" shoulder belts. The only reason that the 2" is available is the perception that the 2" belt fits "inside" the wings of the HANS. If you look at the HANS site they say nothing about recommending 2" belts.

 

Thanks!

Just checked it out as you were posting this at www.hansdevice.com

 

My understanding is the 2" is tested in Europe, but not in the states. SO the official version is still 3" here, but in speaking with several who have tried the 2", they LOVE LOVE it.

 

The sub belts need to be mounted to the chassis and should be 4-6" apart. The sub strap opening in the seat should be 11-13" from the back of the seat, and the sub straps mounting point in the floor should be about 2" to the rear of the sub strap opening in the seat when adjusted for your driving position.

I too use the HANs hybrid 2"/3" shoulder belts with 2" lap belts and they are the best belts I've used to date. I also use the "pull up" configuration which I find much easier to use and get tight than the "pull down" type.

 

When I spoke with HANS, they said they do NOT recommend the 2" belts.. 3" has worked fine for me so I'm sticking with that!

 

My old belts were 3 in,, and the belt was constantly slipping off of the Hans device, even though I have one with the "wings. My new belts have the taper ( from VB). They are much more comfortable, for me, and stay put.
Just my $.02

 

Neither of the harnesses shown in the above picture are "Hybrid" sub belt mounting style.
They are conventional Tbar style. The hybrid sub belts are the most comfortable IMHO, as I had a set of Hybrid II 6 points in Titanium made in Germany for my car.

Also, once committed to 2" HANS specific shoulder belts/harness, you can not drive the car unless you are wearing a HANS; only an issue if you or another driver wear a H&N restraint other than a HANS (ISAAC, R3, Hutchens, Hutchens Hybrid, Wright, Leatt, D-Cel, et. al.)

 

"Also, once committed to 2" HANS specific shoulder belts/harness, you can not drive the car unless you are wearing a HANS;"

That is not true. HMS who may be the most independant authoriative company in the US on safety says that they are fine used without the HANs. The body does not recognize the 1" difference in width, and the belt strength is the same.

 

Point of (suspected) clarification from HANS. My understanding is the 2" testing has been done in Europe only, not in the US. Therefore the US must still recommend the 3", as that is what has been tested. To my knowledge (limited), they (HANS US) has NOT said, "don't use the 2".