Traffic53

interesting view. i value your opinion, as you have owned both. what i don't quite understand is what you mean by "poseur" performance out of the 911. in fact...what the hell are you talking about, mate? "doors blown off"? the vette is a mighty machine, no doubt about it. but the car just doesn't do well when compared with other- in this case, a 911, sports cars. period. drag racing doesn't count. 0-60 times don't mean much more. the stock 993 motors vs. stock c5 zo6 cars at our track lap about the same. the vette power pulls away on the straights, while the 911 eats all that up, and more, in the bends. further, the stock chevys can't run for more than 15 minutes without temp issues.

your experience with the build and overall quality of your vette is wonderful. i'm just not convinced your experience is all that common. perhaps your not as picky as some. personally, i'm not impressed with how they wear.

i don't mean to stray off-topic. i'm just responding to the above quote. i know it's not a vette bashing thread- as much as i do enjoy participating in those.

Mike in Chi

I'm with Traffic.

Even though it's 10 to 12 years old, a 993 is far from a poseur (though I believe this word was used in jest by Sway)

It is not a drag car, never meant to be. It's wonderful total package, particularly on a track, especialy a shorter one where hp isn't a trump card.

That said, there is no better value performance-wise than a Z06.

RallyJon

I think he's referring to how slowly a 993 accellerates on the street in real world conditions.

Traffic53

i see. i just don't think that the 993 is slow on the street in real world conditions. when are you ever full throttle on the way to work? and even if- is the 993's full throttle not enough to get you to the next stop light in a resonable amount of time? i do see what you are saying, i just haven't read too many folks complain about 993 street performance.

agdamis

I agree with Mike and as much as the Europeans in general are more refined cars, the Z06 to be taken very seriously as for about $65K you get a car that posts a 7.42.90 at the Nurburgring. I think we can all agree that the Nordscleife is a pretty good indication of a car's overall ability.

I have included two lists for your interest.

http://wheeltalk.fancal.net/?p=476

http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...10073&bottom=0

6:55* -- 178.699 km/h -- Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (sep,28 05),
http://www.radicalextremesportscars....0905/index.php
http://www.radicalextremesportscars....ring/index.php
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/video_g...ap_record.html (*street-legal only in the UK)
7:12* -- 173.600 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03) (*mfr.)
7:14.89 172.181 km/h – Donkervoort D8 270 RS, , 350 PS/600 kg, Michael Düchting (nov,6 05), http://autoweek.nl/newsdisp.php?cache=no&ID=4199
7:15.63 169.311 km/h -- Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, Patrick Simons (sport auto 09/05), http://www.edo-competition.de/filead...eife_runde.avi
http://www.chpltd.com/911_porsche_wo...ngmeister.html
7:18.01 170.236 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Duechting, sport auto 12/2004, >>> http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=13957
7:19* -- 168.929 km/h -- Radical SR3 1500 Turbo, Phil Bennet (jun,15 03) (*mfr.), http://www.radicalmotorsport.com/new...iefe/index.php ,
www.radicalsportscars.com/gallery/ring2b.mpg
7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Roehrl,(Autobild 07/04)
7:32* -- 164.071 km/h – Pagani Zonda F, 650 PS/ 1230 kg, (*mfr.) www.autodrome-cannes.com/index-eng.asp
7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, definitive time Horst von Saurma (sport auto 01/04)
7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 01) , www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html
7:33 --- 163.708 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/ 1371 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto 05/06),
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=83550
7:34 --- 163.586 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), oct,17-18 05, http://www.koenigsegg.com/news/artic...age=&type=news, http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=75219
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (02)
7.39* -- 161.575 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:39 --- 161.575 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg, http://www.koenigsegg.com/news/artic...age=&type=news
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=44953
7:39.39 161.219 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Röhrl (AutoBild 02/06)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1495 kg, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/03)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:41 --- 160.868 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/04), http://www.manthey-motors.de/nextsho...pdf.asp?id=217
7:42* -- 160.519 km/h – Ford GT, 550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa (04) (according to dailysportscar.net)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h – Porsche 997 GT3 RS, 415 PS/1420 kg (*mfr.)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3, 230 PS/510 kg (02)
7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h -- Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05), http://www.supercars.net/Pics?vpf2=y...ID=1384471&l=d
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Roehrl (MOTOR magazine)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- TechArt Porsche GT Street, 620 PS/1453 kg, (sport auto 08/02)
7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 02)
7:44 --- 159.828 km/h -- Pagani Zonda C12 S, 555 PS/1388 kg (sport auto 07/02)
7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- Aston Martin V8 Vantage N24, 385 PS/1350 kg (race car, not street-legal, slicks)(*mfr.)
7:45 --- 159.484 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600, 600hp (00)
7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- McLaren F1, *estimated lap time from a video available at www.pistonheads.tv
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Jaguar XJ220, John Walton (EVO magzine 07/00), www.jwhubbers.nl/ring/docs/evo-0007-7.jpg
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (sport auto 99)
7:47 --- 158.801 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381 PS (sport auto 03/04)
7:48 --- 158.463 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg (sport auto 07/06) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=91836
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h – BMW X5 Le Mans, 700 PS/~2000 kg, Hans-Joachim Stuck
http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....1F288808EB&p=0
7.49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3, 392 PS (AutoBild 2004), http://www.autobild.de/tuning/testbe...rtikel_seite=4
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 PS/1207 kg (sport auto 02/99)
7:49.72 157.885 km/h -- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (93) (moto bike)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- BMW E46 M3 CSL, 360 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 08/03) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=92447
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/02)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Westfield Super 7 with Hayabusa engine, >>> http://nurburgring.free.fr/Vids/Bren...x504_1_350.avi
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h – Ford GT, 550 PS/1599 kg (sport auto 02/06)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (sport auto 95)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo E-gear, 493 PS/1496 kg (sport auto 12/03) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=92447
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/04)
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582 PS/1678kg, (sport auto 03/05), >>> http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=27415
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/03)
7:55* -- 156.126 km/h -- Aston Martin V8 Vantage N24, 385 PS/1350 kg (race car, not street-legal)(*mfr.)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h -- Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/00)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h – Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=67305
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 PS/1387 kg (sport auto 02/04)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/00)
7:56* - 155.798 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z06 ,company chief engineer Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:56.50 155.594 km/h -- Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582 PS/1678kg, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 02/06)
7:56.65 155.569 km/h – Lamborghini Gallardo SE, 520 PS/1560 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
7:56.73* 155.569 km/h -- Honda NSX-R (*Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion", lap not complete)
7:57 --- 155.472 km/h -- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600PS/1558 kg (sport auto 05/98)
7:58 --- 156.652 km/h -- Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI, 420 PS/ 1650 kg, Frank Stippler, (10/05) http://www.8200rpm.com/forum/read.ph...16841&t=16841\
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59* -- 154.822 km/h -- Chevrolet C6 Z51, company test driver Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans (Autocar magazine 97)
7:59.41 154.690 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi spec.C "prototype" (2004), www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:01.72 153.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:02 --- 153.858 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Sport”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 04)
8:03 --- 153.540 km/h – Aston Martin V8 Vantage, 385 PS/1636 kg, Pirelli P Zero Corsa (sport auto 10/05)
8:03 --- 153.540 km/h -- Porsche 911 GT3, 360 PS/1391 kg (sport auto 08/99)
8:04 --- 153.223 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo GT, 575 PS/1620 kg (sport auto 07/00)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1, 580 PS/1820 kg (sport auto 12/02)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino “Standard”, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, 355PS/1461kg (sport auto 05/05), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=36440
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Ruf CTR, http://www.lad.lv/~martini/porsche/V...rburgring1.wmv
8:06 --- 152.592 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (sport auto 04/02)
8:06.01 152.589 km/h -- Subaru WRX Sti C-spec (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:07 --- 152.279 km/h -- Ferrari 550 Maranello, 485 PS/1724 kg (sport auto 06/98)
8:07.76 152.041 km/h -- BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg, Prinz Luitpold von Bayern (AutoBild 02/06)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h – Audi RS4, 420 PS/1728 kg (sport auto 06/06), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=87373
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg (sport auto 12/05), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=63338
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Honda NSX-R, 320 PS/1467 kg (sport auto 08/02)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Modena , 400 PS/1464 kg (sport auto 10/99)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo SV, 520 PS/1590 kg (sport auto 12/97)
8:10 --- 151.114 km/h -- Aston Martin V8 Vantage (Top Gear 02/05)
8:10 --- 151.114 km/h -- Chrysler Viper GTS, 411 PS/1567 kg (sport auto 10/97)
8:10 --- 151.347 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 180R, 210 PS/650 kg (sport auto 03/01)
8:10.75 151.265 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi Version III sedan (1996), www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:11 --- 151,274 km/h -- Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX (Best Motoring video 14)
8:11* -- 151,274 km/h -- Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1340 kg, test driver Walter Roehrl (*mfr.) (sport auto 07/05)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 PS/1651 kg (sport auto 04/02)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo (sport auto 03/97)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo works tuning (sport auto 06/97)
8:33 --- 150.426 km/h – Aston Martin V8 Vantage, 385 PS/1636 kg, Bridgestone Potenza RE 50 (sport auto 10/05)
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg (sport auto 12/04) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=13956
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS/1324 kg (sport auto 05/99)
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 hp (sport auto, 10/04)
8:14 --- 150.120 km/h -- Mercedes SL 65 AMG, 612 PS/2049 kg (sport auto 01/05), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=23337
8:14.98 149.824 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma Evo VIII GSR MR 8 (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h – BMW Z4 M Roadster, 343 PS/1485 kg, http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/driven/..._roadster.html
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Alpina Roadster S, 300 PS/1416 kg (sport auto 6/05), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=44295
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Corvette C6, 404 PS/1491 kg (sport auto 08/05), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=46738
8:15* -- 149.818 km/h -- Holden GTS (00), *estimated
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera 2, Walter Roehrl (WHEELS 06/04)
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Ruf 911 CTR 2, 520 hp
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 PS (sport auto 11/97)
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer V8 Topster, 450 PS/1557kg (sport auto 01/05) http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=18724
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- Aston Martin DB9, 457hp (sport auto 11/04) http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=10114
8:16.15 149.471 km/h -- Honda NSX (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Aston Martin V12 Vanquish, 515 PS/1775 kg (sport auto 01/03)
8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Porsche 911 Carrera, 320 PS/1399 kg (sport auto 06/01)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- BMW Z8, 400PS/1651 kg (sport auto 08/00)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344 PS (sport auto 09/2003)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 06/97)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Maserati GranSport, 400 PS/1672 kg (sport auto 09/05), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=50624
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- Audi RS6, 400 PS/ 1815 kg (sport auto 03/01)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- BMW M3 E36, 321 hp (Autocar magazine 1997)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- Porche 993 GT3, Walter Roehrl (Car magazine 10/99)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M Coupe, 321 PS/1445 kg (sport auto 10/98)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- Mercedes-Benz C55 (sport auto07/2004)
8:22.38 147.617 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R32 GTR (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion")
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Aston Martin DB7 GT, 442 PS/1833 kg (sport auto 07/03)
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 280 PS/1426 kg (sport auto 04/06)
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera 4, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 01/02)
8:24 --- 147.143 km/h -- Mercedes SLK 55 AMG, 360PS/1566kg (sport auto 04/05), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=31462
8:24 --- 147.143 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (sport auto 05/04)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Audi RS4, 375 PS/1675 kg (sport auto 10/00)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Corvette Callaway C12, 400 PS/1564 kg (sport auto 04/99)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Jaguar XKR, 416 PS/1775 kg (sport auto 11/06)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Maybach 57 S, 612 PS/2835 kg http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen...tikel_id=11912
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 11/99)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h -- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (sport auto 11/02)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1412 kg (sport auto 11/06), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=2&tID=104908
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h – BMW 335i Coupé, 306 PS/1610 kg (sport auto 10/06), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=2&tID=101881
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG, 354 PS/1480 kg (sport auto 05/01)
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Nissan 350Z, 280 PS/1526 kg (sport auto 10/03)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- BMW E49 M5, 400PS/1833 kg (sport auto 03/99)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera 2, 285 PS/1452 kg (sport auto 01/98)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche Carrera Cabrio (sport auto 04/97)
8:28.93 145.690 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX sedan (1992) www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG, 347 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 05/00)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Audi S4 4.2 Avant, 344 PS/1826 kg (sport auto 11/03)
8:30 --- 145.412 km/h -- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa, 320 PS/1593 kg (sport auto 10/02)
8:31.--- 145.130 km/h -- 2006 CADILLAC STS-V, 440PS/1948 kg, www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=101519
8:31.42 145.008 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (sport auto 04/03)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0si coupe, 265 PS/1408 kg (sport auto 08/06) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=95212
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 192hp (sport auto 08/04)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS/1410 kg (sport auto 09/97)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG, 231 PS/1396 kg (sport auto 05/03)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 252 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 12/99)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Volkswagen Golf R32 Mk. IV, 250 PS
8:33.80 144.336 km/h -- Honda NSX (6-speed) Coupe, 276 PS (Top Gear magazine)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 04/01)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS (sport auto 04/04)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW 130i, 258 PS/1350 kg (Road & Track)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW M3 SMG E36, 321 PS/1515 kg (sport auto 03/97)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé, 426 PS/1635 kg (sport auto 02/02)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220 PS
8:35.93 143.740 km/h – Opel Astra OPC, 240 PS/1355 kg, Manuel Reuter (mfr., oct,05) record holder compact class
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (sport auto 07/99)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Jaguar XKR Performance Kit, 363 PS/1703 kg (sport auto 09/00)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h -- Porsche Boxster ´03, 228 PS/1370 kg (sport auto 02/03)
8:36.42 143.604 km/h -- BMW M3 EVO, 321hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Maserati 3200GT, 370 PS/1614 kg (sport auto 09/02)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/01)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo, 218 PS/1290 kg (sport auto 03/00)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.0 (sport auto 07/91)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- VW Golf R32 (sport auto 02/03)
8:37.10 143.415 km/h -- Nissan GTR V, 350 pS (Top Gear maagzine)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8, 400 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 12/98)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.2, 280 PS/1386 kg (sport auto 08/97)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL500, 306 PS/1852 kg (sport auto 12/01)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Renault Megane Sport Trophy “sport auto” edition, 225PS/1371 kg (sport auto 6/05), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=40016
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296hp
8:39 --- 142.890 km/h -- Honda S2000, 240 PS/1275 kg (sport auto 01/00)
8:39 --- 142.890 km/h -- Morgan Aero 8, 286 PS/1193 kg (sport auto 04/03)
8:40 --- 142.615 km/h -- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
8:40 --- 142.615 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic, 344 PS/1505 kg (sport auto 07/97)
8:40.30 142.615 km/h – Bentley Continental GT, 560 PS/2385 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
8:41 --- 142.342 km/h -- Aston Martin DB7, 420 PS/1847 kg (sport auto 01/99)
8:41 --- 142.342 km/h -- Audi S3, 210 PS/1489 kg (sport auto 06/99)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Audi S4, 265 PS/1592 kg (sport auto 08/98)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Audi TT 1.8 quattro w. ESP, 225 PS/1461 kg, (sport auto 07/01)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- BMW Alpina B3 3.3, 280 PS/1495 kg (sport auto 07/99)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 179 PS/796 kg, (sport auto 11/00)
8:43 --- 141.797 km/h -- Honda Integra Type R (sport auto 12/00)
8:44.83 141.303 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Coupe, 339 PS, automatic (Top Gear magazine)
8:46 --- 140.989 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285 PS
8:47 --- 140.721 km/h -- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS/1246 kg (sport auto 11/01)
8:48.25 140.388 km/h -- Porsche 911 Carrera, 285 PS (Top Gear magazine)
8:49 --- 140.189 km/h -- Jaguar XKR Coupe, 363 PS/1703 kg (sport auto 07/98)
8:49 --- 140.189 km/h -- Renault Clio Sport V6, 226 PS/1381 kg (sport auto 07/01)
8:49 --- 140.189 km/h -- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupé, 225 PS/1461 kg (sport auto 11/98)
8:49 --- 140.189 km/h – VW Golf V R32, 250 PS/1591 kg (sport auto 09/06), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=98039
8:50 --- 139.925 km/h -- BMW Alpina B10 3.2, 260 PS/1600 kg (sport auto 04/98)
8:50* -- 139.925 km/h -- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (sport auto ??/00)
8:51 --- 139.661 km/h -- Alfa Romeo 156 GTA, 231 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 05/02)
8:51* -- 139.661 km/h -- Ford Focus ST, 225 PS/1330 kg (sport auto 09/05) (*mfr.)
8:51 --- 139.661 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG, 306 PS/1571 kg (sport auto 12/01)
8:52 --- 139.398 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 430, 279 PS/1564 kg (sport auto 09/01)
8:52 --- 139.529 km/h -- VW Golf GTI DSG, 200 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 11/05)
8:54 --- 138.897 km/h -- Porsche Boxster, 204 PS/1325 kg (sport auto 01/97)
8:54 --- 138.932 km/h -- VW Golf GTI 25th Anniversary, 180 hp, 1320 kg (sport auto 01/02)
8:55 --- 134.579 km/h -- Mini Cooper S Works, 200 hp (sport auto ??/04)
8:58 --- 133.829 km/h -- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (sport auto 07/97)
9:05* -- 136.073 km/h -- Ford Focus RS, 215 PS/1355 kg (sport auto 09/05)(*mfr.)
9:07 --- 135.576 km/h -- Mercedes SLK 230, 195 PS/1356 kg (sport auto 05/01)
9:07 --- 135.576 km/h -- AMG Mercedes SLK 230 compressor (sport auto 05/99)
9:09 --- 135.802 km/h --VW Golf V6 4Motion, 204 PS/1455 kg (sport auto 01/02)
10:08 -- 121.973 km/h --Ford Transit, 136 PS/??? Kg, Sabine Schmitz (Top Gear TV, jul,10 05)
11:00 -- 110.885 km/h -- Karmann Colorad RS, 298 PS/???, Sabine Schnitz (07/06)

race cars:
7:00* -- 176.250 km/h – BMW M3 GTR, 450 PS/1100 kg (sport auto 06/04), *estimated
7:01 --- 176.152 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 race car, 493 PS (AutoBild 06/04), http://www.manthey-motors.de/nextsho...pdf.asp?id=217
7:10 --- 173.100 km/h -- BMW M3 GTR, 450 PS/1350 kg, Joerg Mueller (practice 24hrs race 03)
7:12.25 173.500 km/h -- Schnitzer BMW M3 GTR, Dirk Mueller, 24hrs race practice (02)
7:20* -- 168.545 km/h -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, 500hp, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 03) *estimated
7:21 --- 168.163 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 650 PS (Autocar magazine 97)
7:25 --- 168.651 km/h -- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 hp, Michelin Sport Cup R , Mattias Ekblom
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche GT3 RS, stock but Pirelli P Zero Corsa, Mattias Ekblom (ams)


7:32 - Porsche Carrera GT (7:32.44)
7:42.90 - Z06
7:44 - Zonda
7:46 - Porsche 996 GT2
7:47 - Porsche Gt3 RS (sport tyres)
7:50 - M3 CSL (sport tyres)
7:52 - GT3 (381hp)
7:52 - Lamborghini Gallardo
7:52 - Lamborghini Murcielao
7:52 - Mercedes SLR mclaren
7:56 - Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 - 360 stradale (sport tyres)
7:57 - Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo (600 HP, racing suspension)
8:07 - Ferrari 550
8:09 - Lamborghini Diablo SV
8:09 - Ferrari 360 Modena
8:10 - Chrysler Viper GTS
8:12 - Porsche 993 Turbo (430 HP version)
8:15 - BMW Z8 400 HP
8:17 - Porsche 996 C2
8:18 - Ferrari F355
8:22 - BMW M Coupe 321 HP
8:25 - Audi RS4 375 HP
8:28 - Porsche 993 C2
8:28 - BMW M5 400 HP
8:32 - Porsche Boxster S
8:35 - BMW M3 Coupe 321 HP
8:37 - Mercedes C32 AMG
8:38 - Honda NSX
8:39 - Honda S2000
8:40 - Chevrolet Corvette
8:42 - Audi S4 265 HP
8:42 - Lotus Exige
8:49 - Jaguar XKR Coupe
8:52 - Mercedes CLK 430

Mike in Chi

AG

That's an incredible reference. Very Cool Thanks

SwayBar

That's a very good time, even more-so driving a non-turbo 944!

That's why having a unit like the G2X is so cool since it records every inch of every lap of a session so that one can view it safely after-the-fact.

For street-car performance, 0-60 in 5.1 seconds isn't bad, but not that good either when compared to other performance cars.

Are you saying that a C5 and up Corvette does not do well against a 911/993 on the track? The only street '911' that can keep up with a C5 Z06 on the track is a 996 GT3 (..all else being equal). Now that's a fast street '911' (..and a great car!), but a NA 993 is not in the same class as a 996 GT3 performance-wise.

Since when? That's where the majority of 'races' occur since I'd have to guess that 97% of Porsche owners do not track their car which leaves the stop lights as their only form of racing. Just about every Porsche owner I know engages in street-racing/drag-racing from a traffic-light, to the posted speed limit from time-to-time depending upon their mood and 'competition'.

The only NA street 911 that can stay with a C5 Z06 in a straight line is a 996 GT3. If a 993 'eats all that up' in the corners, then it's because a better driver is in the 993 versus the driver in the Z. It's not because of the hardware; the Z06 is a better all-out handling platform than the 993. Just look at Z's Nurburgring time of 7:56.x; that's smokin' fast, and that's on the stock tires too.

I know of roughly 8 other C5's, and every one of them are in impeccable condition, just like mine.

Personally, I'm not impressed with anything you have to say about Corvettes as your views are the polar opposite of my experiences with many C5's, which makes one question your sincerity on the topic.

I did install an engine oil-cooler which kept the oil at 245 - 250, and had no coolers on the 6-speed which never over-heated on the long, fast RA track.

Maybe it's just a matter of perspective. If the 993 is the fastest/quickest car you've ever driven, then it is the fastest car to you.

jlr

How on earth did this conversation descend into a comparison of a brand new sports car to a car made almost ten years ago? Seems apples and oranges to me. There are SUVs today that would probably outperform Vettes from the early 90s. If you like early 90s Vettes, so what? They were good performance bargains then as now. Same applies to older Porsches. Compared to their contemporaries they were outstanding as examples of performance and build quality.

mrsullivan

whoa dude (Keanu Reeves voice)

this is getting fun

agdamis

No worries Mike, thought you guys might enjoy.

Mike in Chi

Thanks It does have a Leda suspension, which helps.
With the 250 extra horsepower of a Z06, I think I could get into the 30s

And one of these days I'll get Data Aq.

If you do one of the Chicago Region Road America events, I'll buy you a beer at Siebkens

Phil

Mike,
Who was that guy that was gonna buy a fleet of z06's? all for track events, and maybe for some type of
spec series?

Mike in Chi

He never delivered on the deal. (I always hated that guy.)

It was going to be called BROC I think.

Whatever happened to him?

agdamis

Hey Mike how am I gonna get "my embarassingly slow, novice for two bloody years, low confidence ***" below 2:55.00 consistantly at Road America???? Maybe if I go more than once a season.

RallyJon

LOL! How dare you say something like that on Rennlist?!?

This is such a silly argument. The Z06 and the 993 couldn't be more different cars. Makes about as much sense as comparing 993s to STIs and EVOs. If you insist on taking your stock 993 to the track, why would you get bent out of shape when more track suitable cars are faster? If you insist on taking your stock 993 to the strip, why would you get bent out of shape when more drag racing suitable cars are faster?

If your goal in life is beating Z06s around a track, why not just jump in a Radical or Lotus 7 replica and drive circles around them for half the price?