Best year 993
#1
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Winnipeg, MB Canada
Posts: 1,400
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes
on
7 Posts
Best year 993
What are the advantages for each production year of the 993?
ie: What year is best.
Are there any specific disadvantages with the 1995 model?
Is there some 'must check' problems witht he 95?
thanx
Kirk
ie: What year is best.
Are there any specific disadvantages with the 1995 model?
Is there some 'must check' problems witht he 95?
thanx
Kirk
#2
Nordschleife Master
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Neither Here Nor There
Posts: 5,351
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes
on
5 Posts
Generally speaking, it's 6 of one, half dozen of the other.
1995:
- OBDI computer that will NOT flag a Check Engine Light if the Secondary Air Injectors get clogged
- 272 bhp
1996-1998:
- OBDII computer that WILL flag a Check Engine Light if the SAI's get clogged
- 282'ish bhp
- 40 or so more ft/lb of torque (edit - at lower RPMs)
- Varioram Induction ( http://www.instant-g.com/Products/36...sion/VRAM.html )
The CEL flag may be inportant to you if you live in a state/country/territory/province/district (you get the idea) that conducts emissions testing.
1995:
- OBDI computer that will NOT flag a Check Engine Light if the Secondary Air Injectors get clogged
- 272 bhp
1996-1998:
- OBDII computer that WILL flag a Check Engine Light if the SAI's get clogged
- 282'ish bhp
- 40 or so more ft/lb of torque (edit - at lower RPMs)
- Varioram Induction ( http://www.instant-g.com/Products/36...sion/VRAM.html )
The CEL flag may be inportant to you if you live in a state/country/territory/province/district (you get the idea) that conducts emissions testing.
Last edited by InTheAir; 02-04-2006 at 06:08 PM.
#5
Nordschleife Master
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Neither Here Nor There
Posts: 5,351
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes
on
5 Posts
Originally Posted by jnx
I would guess that, the year that one has, is the best year to have.
However, the differences are certainly not worth giving up a car in great condition but "wrong" year for a not-so-stellar condition car in the "right" year. That is, search for condition first, along with you most treasured options/colors, then look for year (unless, of course, your most treasured option is OBDI).
#6
Rennlist Member
There's also the "basket handle" third brake light on the '95 (except for really late ones) if we're talking about coupes, and the steering rack brace issue/non-issue. '95s tend to be a bit cheaper, probably because of the lack of varioram.
I just got my '95, and had been looking, on and off, for over a year. I'm glad I don't have to worry about the CEL issue, but it would have been nice to have that extra bit o' power. I did read here on RL that the OBD1 can be more easliy chipped to make up the difference. Not sure if this is true, or if torque is gained in the low end like w/ vram.
I just got my '95, and had been looking, on and off, for over a year. I'm glad I don't have to worry about the CEL issue, but it would have been nice to have that extra bit o' power. I did read here on RL that the OBD1 can be more easliy chipped to make up the difference. Not sure if this is true, or if torque is gained in the low end like w/ vram.
Trending Topics
#9
Drifting
95's can be chipped for around $600.00 and 96's & up are more in the neighborhood of $1500.00
I still believe the 1995 C2 is the best aircooled P car ever made for many reasons, OBD I & more!
I'm positive that many will disagree with that assumption. To each his own.
As far as 40 ft lbs more torque..BS...It's more like 7lb ft.
1995 3.6L 270hp @ 6100 rpm 243 lb ft @ 5000 rpm
1998 3.6L 282hp @ 6100 rpm 250 lb ft @ 5100 rpm
I still believe the 1995 C2 is the best aircooled P car ever made for many reasons, OBD I & more!
I'm positive that many will disagree with that assumption. To each his own.
As far as 40 ft lbs more torque..BS...It's more like 7lb ft.
1995 3.6L 270hp @ 6100 rpm 243 lb ft @ 5000 rpm
1998 3.6L 282hp @ 6100 rpm 250 lb ft @ 5100 rpm
#10
Nordschleife Master
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Neither Here Nor There
Posts: 5,351
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes
on
5 Posts
Originally Posted by mborkow
i did not realize that the MY96+ had that much more torque...
same link as above: http://www.instant-g.com/Products/36...sion/VRAM.html
#11
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Winnipeg, MB Canada
Posts: 1,400
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes
on
7 Posts
Very interesting.
Is the OBD I the same as used in the 964? (ie: will my bosch hammer work with it)
I can't remember if my hammer offered the options for a 993 or not. (And its loaned out right now)
The reason I ask is that I own an 89 964. And there was definetly some drawbacks to owning the first model year. (pistons updates, cylinder updates, better dme, etc all came after 91)
But it appears that since the 993 shared so much in common with the 964 that the same level of growing pains weren't shared in the first model year.
Of course the other reason is that I am looking at a 95, 993 and wanted to make sure there was no horror stories. (I did a little research on the 993 forum, but honestly I can barely keep of with the 964 forum, and I figured it was easier to just ask)
Any input is welcome.
thanx,
Kirk
Is the OBD I the same as used in the 964? (ie: will my bosch hammer work with it)
I can't remember if my hammer offered the options for a 993 or not. (And its loaned out right now)
The reason I ask is that I own an 89 964. And there was definetly some drawbacks to owning the first model year. (pistons updates, cylinder updates, better dme, etc all came after 91)
But it appears that since the 993 shared so much in common with the 964 that the same level of growing pains weren't shared in the first model year.
Of course the other reason is that I am looking at a 95, 993 and wanted to make sure there was no horror stories. (I did a little research on the 993 forum, but honestly I can barely keep of with the 964 forum, and I figured it was easier to just ask)
Any input is welcome.
thanx,
Kirk
#12
Nordschleife Master
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Neither Here Nor There
Posts: 5,351
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes
on
5 Posts
Originally Posted by 993James993
Hi Kirk, it sound's like you are considering a '95. If so and the car is in good condition and passes a proper ppi then don't worry about the year. Some people even like the "basket" handle :-).
I consider it my "first stage" aerodynamic spoiler--it's gives me added downforce.
#13
Burning Brakes
'95's are the easiest 993's to own. You don't have to worry about the SAI/CEL headaches that can lead to thousands of dollars worth of repairs and they tend to be a bit cheaper to purchase. I can only assume many people want the varioram engine. To me a measly 10 horse power is not worth the extra complications that go along with the varioram system. The other big plus is that some of the early '95's didn't have the dreaded immobilizer system that can cause plenty of sleepless nights. (KISS) Keep it simple stupid.
I drove probably 7 or 8 993's when shopping for my car. Out of those only 2 were '95's. My car felt much stronger than several of the others. Don't ask me why... I was in Denver when I drove all but two of them.
At any rate, I think the '95 should be given credit here. I don't think it can be beat when you look at price, performance, simplicity, and sheer fun.
Now, god help me I love those wide arches on the C2/4S... I've given a lot of thought lately to the idea of selling my car and hunting for a widebody. But, I simply can't bring myself to do it. I can't justify the price premium or the added potential mechanical and electrical problems while likely ending up with a slower car than I have right now. ...all for 2 inches of fender flare.
Nope.
...oh, and I hate my baskethandle. It's like a hemroid.
I drove probably 7 or 8 993's when shopping for my car. Out of those only 2 were '95's. My car felt much stronger than several of the others. Don't ask me why... I was in Denver when I drove all but two of them.
At any rate, I think the '95 should be given credit here. I don't think it can be beat when you look at price, performance, simplicity, and sheer fun.
Now, god help me I love those wide arches on the C2/4S... I've given a lot of thought lately to the idea of selling my car and hunting for a widebody. But, I simply can't bring myself to do it. I can't justify the price premium or the added potential mechanical and electrical problems while likely ending up with a slower car than I have right now. ...all for 2 inches of fender flare.
Nope.
...oh, and I hate my baskethandle. It's like a hemroid.
#15
Burning Brakes
Another vote for a 95. I seriously would have bought any year 993 as they are all fantastic cars. I am happy not to worry about the CEL issue and lucked out and got a late 95 without the basket handle. Buy the best one you can and the one that turns you on. Good luck in your search.