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For those that I have them, do you find the extra threads on the Carnewal Bilsteins worth the $600 more than the standard U.S. Bilsteins?
Euro M030 through DEVEK with US standard Bilsteins = $1665
Euro M030 through Carnewal with special threaded Bilsteins = $2300
I really hate the gap in the front fender wells ,and like the idea of the extra threads...but struggling as to whether it is a $600 difference....
Euro M030 through DEVEK with US standard Bilsteins = $1665
Euro M030 through Carnewal with special threaded Bilsteins = $2300
I really hate the gap in the front fender wells ,and like the idea of the extra threads...but struggling as to whether it is a $600 difference....
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Jonathan,
I would go with DEVEK with US Standard Bilsteins for less money and more importantly LIFETIME WARRANTY
I believe you can order the lowering perch to get the extrat threads (it was mentioned in the previous threads). Just my .02
I would go with DEVEK with US Standard Bilsteins for less money and more importantly LIFETIME WARRANTY
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I went the other way (Gert)....I learned early in life that "more is better" and thus went with more threads. I haven't utilized the extra threads yet...waiting for corner balance and alignment process. But...I heard great things about Devek too...so I think it is a win win.
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Just for my two cents, if i could redo it over again, I would have gone straight for the Pss9's. But then again, I purposely went with US m030 springs instead of RoW...i don't think the extra threads helped that much in my case with the us m030...if anybody wants to trade suspension setups....
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The Devek package includes the lifetime warranty versus 2 years, and you can buy Hergeshimers lowering perches for $100. for the pair. That will bring your height down all you'll want.
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Originally Posted by jrgordonsenior
...you can buy Hergeshimers lowering perches for $100. for the pair. That will bring your height down all you'll want.
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so don't just count on the shock adjustment for the basic ride height..but for fine tuning the height......
I have no experience on using perches............
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Euro M030 through DEVEK with US standard Bilsteins = $1665
Euro M030 through Carnewal with special threaded Bilsteins = $2300
Ability to lower the car so it doesn't look like a hydroplane=PRICELESS
Euro M030 through Carnewal with special threaded Bilsteins = $2300
Ability to lower the car so it doesn't look like a hydroplane=PRICELESS
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Originally Posted by CayenneAK
Don't the springs really dictate how low you can go.... so don't just count on the shock adjustment for the basic ride height..but for fine tuning the height......AK
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Originally Posted by Mark in Baltimore
Ability to lower the car so it doesn't look like a hydroplane=PRICELESS
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Originally Posted by Viken
Yes, normally they would. But, in this case, the ROW M030 springs do not lower the car any more than 5/8"-3/4" with the standard Bilstein HD shocks. That's why I had Hergesheimer's make the extra lowering sleeves. However, as I said in another post sometime ago, if I were do it all over again, I'd go with Gert's shocks. He fully stands behind his products too. The sleeves add a bit of weight and make it more difficult to corner balance the car. If your shop is charging you by the hour, that might add up to a pretty penny. Bilstein makes a great product. I've had dozens of sets over the years and never needed to warranty one.
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Originally Posted by mrsullivan
Euro M030 through DEVEK with US standard Bilsteins = $1665
Euro M030 through Carnewal with special threaded Bilsteins = $2300
Euro M030 through Carnewal with special threaded Bilsteins = $2300
Are you sure that s the price diff? As I read it on Gerts site, that price includes the front and rear sway bars. Does Devek's include the sways as well in their price?
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yes i am sure about the price difference.... the DEVEK version does include the front and rear sway bars from what I can tell...
I absolutely agree with all the posts about being able to lower the car a bit (especially the front)...I have the SUV-look. But man.... $600 is a lot for a few threads. I assume that even though these threads are not the "norm", they are hopefully over-engineered by Bilstein like everything else they do...to be sturdy, last etc.
Since I dont really want to do the Hergesheimer's collars, I guess my only choice is the $600 threads through GERT, or to just go straight to PSS9... which would really be overkill for my situation... 80%+ streeet driving...
Thanks for all the replies... I have had such a hard time with this decision...its $2k+, you know (?)...actually more like $3k after I match up some nice new SO2a 's ....
I absolutely agree with all the posts about being able to lower the car a bit (especially the front)...I have the SUV-look. But man.... $600 is a lot for a few threads. I assume that even though these threads are not the "norm", they are hopefully over-engineered by Bilstein like everything else they do...to be sturdy, last etc.
Since I dont really want to do the Hergesheimer's collars, I guess my only choice is the $600 threads through GERT, or to just go straight to PSS9... which would really be overkill for my situation... 80%+ streeet driving...
Thanks for all the replies... I have had such a hard time with this decision...its $2k+, you know (?)...actually more like $3k after I match up some nice new SO2a 's ....
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Jonathan,
I'd recommend against PSS9 for your purposes. They are unbalanced when the shocks are set to soft (IMO) and when set firm are unforgiving on our torn up N.Texas concrete roads.
I have heard that the RUF version of the PSS9 is softer than the Bilstein direct version - but I suspect that they are more expensive due to carrying the RUF name.
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I'd recommend against PSS9 for your purposes. They are unbalanced when the shocks are set to soft (IMO) and when set firm are unforgiving on our torn up N.Texas concrete roads.
I have heard that the RUF version of the PSS9 is softer than the Bilstein direct version - but I suspect that they are more expensive due to carrying the RUF name.
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I don't think there is a non adjustable suspension that will eliminate the gap between the tire and fender completely in the front. I just swithched out from Eibach lowering springs (which still left a one inch gap between the tire and fender in the front) to an an adj. coilover and that is the only way I could achieve the ride height I was looking for. Good Luck!
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Hi Jonathan,
I'd talk straight to Mark at Hergeheimers. If he says the perches will lower to your desired height, then they will. If he says they won't, then they won't. He will not steer you wrong and he stands by his workmanship. Moreover, the US warranty is worth paying EXTRA, IMHO. To get it for less dough is a plus. Again, all IMHO....I don't wish to step on toes, now![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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I'd talk straight to Mark at Hergeheimers. If he says the perches will lower to your desired height, then they will. If he says they won't, then they won't. He will not steer you wrong and he stands by his workmanship. Moreover, the US warranty is worth paying EXTRA, IMHO. To get it for less dough is a plus. Again, all IMHO....I don't wish to step on toes, now
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