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09-01-2001, 05:35 PM
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Gotta show off my baby!
Had to show off my car after installing the H&R Coil-overs, RSR sway bars, Euro Front bumper cover, and Turbo S ducts. Thanks to Gert for everything!
09-01-2001, 08:05 PM
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Ric,
She's a beauty! Your ride height looks great, with the slight degree of nose down attitude that Bruce Anderson recommends.
When looking at my car (with Eibach springs installed by the previous owner), there seems to be an incorrect nose up attitude - i.e. more space between the tire and fender lip in front, whereas yours has slightly more space in the rear.
Time to get H&R coilovers (or maybe those PSS9s).
How does your car drive with the new set-up?
She's a beauty! Your ride height looks great, with the slight degree of nose down attitude that Bruce Anderson recommends.
When looking at my car (with Eibach springs installed by the previous owner), there seems to be an incorrect nose up attitude - i.e. more space between the tire and fender lip in front, whereas yours has slightly more space in the rear.
Time to get H&R coilovers (or maybe those PSS9s).
How does your car drive with the new set-up?
09-01-2001, 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by Anir:
<STRONG>there seems to be an incorrect nose up attitude - i.e. more space between the tire and fender lip in front, whereas yours has slightly more space in the rear.</STRONG>
<STRONG>there seems to be an incorrect nose up attitude - i.e. more space between the tire and fender lip in front, whereas yours has slightly more space in the rear.</STRONG>
The nose up or down attitude has nothing to do with correctness. It is largely dictated by corner balancing. However, some prefer to fine tune the balance of their car for more forward weight transfer towards the front thus choosing to lower the front a bit more. My car feels perfectly balanced the way it is without a lower stance in front. Your car has more weight at the back and may benefit from a slightly lower front.
09-01-2001, 09:24 PM
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Here is a front pic. The difference between the stock setup and the H&Rs/RSR bars is significant. I wasn't sure how much of a difference I would notice without tracking the car, but the precision of cornering is noticably better. I haven't noticed a difference in ride quality either. I should really appreciate it when I track the car!
The rear spoiler is somewhat of a mystery, it was on the car when I bought it. It looks a lot like the spoiler that was part of the Aero package from Porsche, however, the only distinquishing marks I can find on it are '993 Turbo' on the underside of the lid. Who knows!
The rear spoiler is somewhat of a mystery, it was on the car when I bought it. It looks a lot like the spoiler that was part of the Aero package from Porsche, however, the only distinquishing marks I can find on it are '993 Turbo' on the underside of the lid. Who knows!
09-02-2001, 12:21 AM
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Viken: Anir, The nose up or down attitude has nothing to do with correctness. It is largely dictated by corner balancing. However, some prefer to fine tune the balance of their car for more forward weight transfer towards the front thus choosing to lower the front a bit more. My car feels perfectly balanced the way it is without a lower stance in front. Your car has more weight at the back and may benefit from a slightly lower front.
Thank you for your insight. I agree that the added rear weight on the turbo is partially responsible for the lower rear stance. At first, I suspected that the previous owner had installed 993NA Eibach springs, but the part #s read "7209", which I believe is correct for the 993TT (i.e. slightly stiffer rear to handle the increased weight).
My comments come from the observation that friends' 993s (albeit NA) do not sit as squatted in the rear as mine, coupled with the following comment by Bruce Anderson in "Porsche 911 Performance Handbook", page 201:
"What most people consider to be 'Euro Spec' is actually lower than the true European specifications. The correct ride height will result in a measurement of about 25 inches when measured from the ground to the rear fender lip. The 911 should have a slight nose-down attitude (about 1 deg slope), which will result in a measurement about 1/2 inch higher at the front fender lip (about 25 1/2 inches)."
On my car, the height is 25 3/4 inches front and 24 3/4 inches rear (when not occupied). Therefore, the back's a bit too low, and the front's a bit too high (i.e. nose up). Ric's car looks much more correct in his picture.
As I understand it, the stock shocks with Eibach springs can not be truly corner balanced, since they are not threaded units. I corner balanced Greg's track 993NA with him last month, and this is one of the reasons I am considering upgrading to the H&R coilovers or possibly the PSS9s.
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09-02-2001, 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by Anir:
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Viken,
Thank you for your insight. I agree that the added rear weight on the turbo is partially responsible for the lower rear stance. At first, I suspected that the previous owner had installed 993NA Eibach springs, but the part #s read "7209", which I believe is correct for the 993TT (i.e. slightly stiffer rear to handle the increased weight).
My comments come from the observation that friends' 993s (albeit NA) do not sit as squatted in the rear as mine, coupled with the following comment by Bruce Anderson in "Porsche 911 Performance Handbook", page 201:
"What most people consider to be 'Euro Spec' is actually lower than the true European specifications. The correct ride height will result in a measurement of about 25 inches when measured from the ground to the rear fender lip. The 911 should have a slight nose-down attitude (about 1 deg slope), which will result in a measurement about 1/2 inch higher at the front fender lip (about 25 1/2 inches)."
On my car, the height is 25 3/4 inches front and 24 3/4 inches rear (when not occupied). Therefore, the back's a bit too low, and the front's a bit too high (i.e. nose up). Ric's car looks much more correct in his picture.
As I understand it, the stock shocks with Eibach springs can not be truly corner balanced, since they are not threaded units. I corner balanced Greg's track 993NA with him last month, and this is one of the reasons I am considering upgrading to the H&R coilovers or possibly the PSS9s.</STRONG>
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Viken,
Thank you for your insight. I agree that the added rear weight on the turbo is partially responsible for the lower rear stance. At first, I suspected that the previous owner had installed 993NA Eibach springs, but the part #s read "7209", which I believe is correct for the 993TT (i.e. slightly stiffer rear to handle the increased weight).
My comments come from the observation that friends' 993s (albeit NA) do not sit as squatted in the rear as mine, coupled with the following comment by Bruce Anderson in "Porsche 911 Performance Handbook", page 201:
"What most people consider to be 'Euro Spec' is actually lower than the true European specifications. The correct ride height will result in a measurement of about 25 inches when measured from the ground to the rear fender lip. The 911 should have a slight nose-down attitude (about 1 deg slope), which will result in a measurement about 1/2 inch higher at the front fender lip (about 25 1/2 inches)."
On my car, the height is 25 3/4 inches front and 24 3/4 inches rear (when not occupied). Therefore, the back's a bit too low, and the front's a bit too high (i.e. nose up). Ric's car looks much more correct in his picture.
As I understand it, the stock shocks with Eibach springs can not be truly corner balanced, since they are not threaded units. I corner balanced Greg's track 993NA with him last month, and this is one of the reasons I am considering upgrading to the H&R coilovers or possibly the PSS9s.</STRONG>
As a point of reference, my '95 car which was equiped with coilovers was corner-balanced and aligned at the RS specs, which does have a lower front to rear ratio. It only makes sense since this car was geared more toward performance than your standard Carrera.
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09-02-2001, 03:48 AM
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Originally posted by Anir:
<STRONG>My comments come from the observation that friends' 993s (albeit NA) do not sit as squatted in the rear as mine, coupled with the following comment by Bruce Anderson in "Porsche 911 Performance Handbook", page 201:
"What most people consider to be 'Euro Spec' is actually lower than the true European specifications. The correct ride height will result in a measurement of about 25 inches when measured from the ground to the rear fender lip. The 911 should have a slight nose-down attitude (about 1 deg slope), which will result in a measurement about 1/2 inch higher at the front fender lip (about 25 1/2 inches)."</STRONG>
<STRONG>My comments come from the observation that friends' 993s (albeit NA) do not sit as squatted in the rear as mine, coupled with the following comment by Bruce Anderson in "Porsche 911 Performance Handbook", page 201:
"What most people consider to be 'Euro Spec' is actually lower than the true European specifications. The correct ride height will result in a measurement of about 25 inches when measured from the ground to the rear fender lip. The 911 should have a slight nose-down attitude (about 1 deg slope), which will result in a measurement about 1/2 inch higher at the front fender lip (about 25 1/2 inches)."</STRONG>
Can't comment about your 993 Turbo's ride height but the above comment is totally meaningless. A proper corner balance may dictate just about any ride height which may or may not agree with the author's comments from that book.
09-02-2001, 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by Viken:
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. . . but the above comment is totally meaningless. A proper corner balance may dictate just about any ride height which may or may not agree with the author's comments from that book.</STRONG>
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. . . but the above comment is totally meaningless. A proper corner balance may dictate just about any ride height which may or may not agree with the author's comments from that book.</STRONG>
Front
Left: 24.75"
Right: 24.50"
Rear
Left: 25.25"
Right: 25.25"
This appears to be wrong, but my car corner balances to within 1 pound.
09-02-2001, 08:42 PM
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The Euro Bumper and Turbo S ducts have their own fog light to replace the US factory fog light. The wheels are Kinesis K28, 8x18, 10x18, tires 225/40ZR18 and 285/30ZR18. Thanks for the comments!
09-02-2001, 09:42 PM
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Nice car Ric! I like those wheels. I have the 17" K5 and 18" FRH, I'm thinking of replacing my 18" with 19" but I've been contemplating since 19" will have slower acceleration to the car.
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It looks sweet Ric! I too am trying to decide b/w the HRs, PSS9s, and the M030 ROW package. What do you think of the ride quality for everyday street driving? I want to go with coil-overs but I am afraid they will be too harsh.