How do you Heel-Toe a 993??
04-02-2002, 10:51 AM
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How do you Heel-Toe a 993??
I have had no problems with BMW (perfect setup ) and 996/986, both are best best done with a "rocking" of the foot, where the inner aspect is on the brake and the outer is used to tap the gas pedal, but the 993 pedals are not set up to allow. My foot slips off. I cannot get a safe and secure plant on the brake and also reach the gas.
I have tried all different foot positions, and not found one which is comfortable and SAFE.
HOW DO I DO IT? Buy racing pedals?
I have a DE in 3 weeks, first in a 993, and I need to practice. <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />
I have tried all different foot positions, and not found one which is comfortable and SAFE.
HOW DO I DO IT? Buy racing pedals?
I have a DE in 3 weeks, first in a 993, and I need to practice. <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />
04-02-2002, 11:23 AM
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993's and prior 911's require the "old-fashioned" heel and toe method from whence the name came because of the distance between and uneven plains that the pedals find themselves in under braking. If you're comparing contemporary pedalled cars (I have an S4 that, with brake applied, is perfect for the "rocking" inner-outer sole method that you speak of), you will think the 993 is less than ideal, but with practice, you will find that you can adapt quite well to your 993.
Another option is Wings Engineering's pedal, offered in two widths, which addresses the above mentioned pedal orientation problems for about $100. I don't think they have a website, but call them at 203-438-2222, or look for their ad in Panorama.
Another option is Wings Engineering's pedal, offered in two widths, which addresses the above mentioned pedal orientation problems for about $100. I don't think they have a website, but call them at 203-438-2222, or look for their ad in Panorama.
04-02-2002, 11:25 AM
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I too am having a problem with my new 993TT. In my NSX it was sooo easy.
My new car has aluminum pedals and a lightweight flywheel. I have size 12 feet, and I have to pick my foot up to get on the brake, and I'm having trouble blipping the throttle and maintaining constant brake pressure. It was suggested to me that for street driving I try and heel and toe by actually using my heel instead of rocking side to side since the brake pedal is not depressed as far as it would be on the track, but with my big boats, it's not working for me.
So far I think I'll get it by raising my foot up onto the brake and then replanting my heel somewhere in between brake and throttle and then rolling side to side.
Of course I've only driven the car 4 times, but I haven't got it figured out yet. The lightweight flywheel has my timing off also, as I tend to overrev, and then it comes back down more quickly than I am used to and I don't get a smooth engine /transmission match. I feel very klutzy!
My unfamiliarity also has me concerned with slipping off of the brake and onto the gas. That would be bad.
My new car has aluminum pedals and a lightweight flywheel. I have size 12 feet, and I have to pick my foot up to get on the brake, and I'm having trouble blipping the throttle and maintaining constant brake pressure. It was suggested to me that for street driving I try and heel and toe by actually using my heel instead of rocking side to side since the brake pedal is not depressed as far as it would be on the track, but with my big boats, it's not working for me.
So far I think I'll get it by raising my foot up onto the brake and then replanting my heel somewhere in between brake and throttle and then rolling side to side.
Of course I've only driven the car 4 times, but I haven't got it figured out yet. The lightweight flywheel has my timing off also, as I tend to overrev, and then it comes back down more quickly than I am used to and I don't get a smooth engine /transmission match. I feel very klutzy!
My unfamiliarity also has me concerned with slipping off of the brake and onto the gas. That would be bad.
04-02-2002, 12:02 PM
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I found that my brake pedal did not align well with the throttle under heavy braking. It was too high. This made heel/toe very difficult. The good news is that the brake pedal is adjustable.
Here is how I did it. 1) Lift the carpet and remove the wooden floor panel. 2) Remove the retainer clip on the heim joint connecting the brake pedal to the activation rod. 3) Loosen the locking nut on the threaded activation rod and rotate the rod to shorten (clockwise) or lengthen (counter-clockwise) it. I found that 2 turns clockwise made my brake/accelerator pedal alignment nearly perfect for my size 13's. 4) Tighten locking nut and replace retainer clip. I used a bit of Loc-Tite Blue on the nut.
5)Be sure to adjust the brake light micro-switch as well or your brake lights could remain on at all times! The micro-switch is threaded so it can be rotated in its mount. Disconnect the wire before turning it and reconnect after completed.
Total time to complete the process is about 30 minutes.
DISCLAIMER! Only a qualified mechanic should perform modifications to your car's brake system. The above is provided as INFORMATION only and is NOT intended to suggest you should do it yourself.
Matt
Here is how I did it. 1) Lift the carpet and remove the wooden floor panel. 2) Remove the retainer clip on the heim joint connecting the brake pedal to the activation rod. 3) Loosen the locking nut on the threaded activation rod and rotate the rod to shorten (clockwise) or lengthen (counter-clockwise) it. I found that 2 turns clockwise made my brake/accelerator pedal alignment nearly perfect for my size 13's. 4) Tighten locking nut and replace retainer clip. I used a bit of Loc-Tite Blue on the nut.
5)Be sure to adjust the brake light micro-switch as well or your brake lights could remain on at all times! The micro-switch is threaded so it can be rotated in its mount. Disconnect the wire before turning it and reconnect after completed.
Total time to complete the process is about 30 minutes.
DISCLAIMER! Only a qualified mechanic should perform modifications to your car's brake system. The above is provided as INFORMATION only and is NOT intended to suggest you should do it yourself.
Matt
04-02-2002, 12:05 PM
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Haven't any of you guys adjusted your brake & throttle pedal yet? It makes this maneuver much easier.
Porsche made fabulous adjustable pedals just for you to play with. Don't skip this step! Go adjust 'em.
BTW... Dont forget to check your brake light switch after you adjust the brake pedal. It may need to be adjusted afterwards (EZ - just turn to adjust).
Porsche made fabulous adjustable pedals just for you to play with. Don't skip this step! Go adjust 'em.
BTW... Dont forget to check your brake light switch after you adjust the brake pedal. It may need to be adjusted afterwards (EZ - just turn to adjust).
04-02-2002, 12:22 PM
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Have you played with the pedal cluster yet?
I have a 993 cup car (I suppose the pedals are similar to your TT) and after playing with the pedal settings it's as easy as in my 996 street car. Look in the archives for the settings, I think that it has been discussed many times
JM
I have a 993 cup car (I suppose the pedals are similar to your TT) and after playing with the pedal settings it's as easy as in my 996 street car. Look in the archives for the settings, I think that it has been discussed many times
JM
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04-02-2002, 12:25 PM
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The only easy way I know of for you to heel and toe in a 993 is to install the "Wing technology" 3rd pedal.
Only $100, and it works!
FWIW I can heel and toe in our 3 series BMW effortlessly without any additional modification.
Wings technology 203-438-222
Only $100, and it works!
FWIW I can heel and toe in our 3 series BMW effortlessly without any additional modification.
Wings technology 203-438-222
04-02-2002, 02:05 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Robin 993 DX In Atlanta:
<strong>...install the "Wing technology" 3rd pedal.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What may not be evident in Robin's Wings pedal pic is that it also raises the pedal height to about even w/the brake pedal and it's a bolt on piece requiring no drilling.
Not sure if it relates to dexterity or shoe size/width (I'm a 10D), but I (& many others) have had no trouble H&T in a 993 using L & R sides of the sole w/o pedal adjustments.
<strong>...install the "Wing technology" 3rd pedal.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What may not be evident in Robin's Wings pedal pic is that it also raises the pedal height to about even w/the brake pedal and it's a bolt on piece requiring no drilling.
Not sure if it relates to dexterity or shoe size/width (I'm a 10D), but I (& many others) have had no trouble H&T in a 993 using L & R sides of the sole w/o pedal adjustments.
04-02-2002, 03:31 PM
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I just got back from my "Headlight Run" I wasn't driving hard enough! I tried raising the speed and braking harder and everything pretty much lined up. (I do have SPARCO pedal covers.)
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I figured that the respected owner/operator of "Midlife Crisis Racing", who set the car up, would have it about right.
Now its a matter of practice practice practice.
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I figured that the respected owner/operator of "Midlife Crisis Racing", who set the car up, would have it about right.
Now its a matter of practice practice practice.
04-02-2002, 03:42 PM
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I do the old fashion way (heel & toe, learned it way back with my beetle) but I have to order that Pedal you Robin have, looks perfect for me!
04-02-2002, 11:17 PM
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I thought I'd post a picture of the wings technology pedal as well. I had it installed last week and found that it makes both "forms" of "heel and toeing" (ball of foot on brake, heel on accelerator pedal; and inside ball of foot on brake, outside of foot on accelerator pedal) easier. FYI, I am also attaching a pic of the pedal from the side which shows the maximium achievable height of the pedal above the OEM accelerator pedal (this is before I screwed it all the way down).
04-02-2002, 11:40 PM
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I had a hard time getting it right for a while, and even considered the pedal switch. For a while I hit the brake pedal with the ball of my foot and blipped the gas w/ my small toes. This was downright unsafe after a long straightaway.
I had a epiphany driving barefoot. I learned to rest the entire ball of my foot on the brake, and blip the gas with the lower side of my foot. Try it, you'll be surprised. Applying this, I bought a pair of simpson driving shoes, and they have made a HUGE difference. They are thin soled and more narrow than my size 13 Nikes I normally drive in.
David
I had a epiphany driving barefoot. I learned to rest the entire ball of my foot on the brake, and blip the gas with the lower side of my foot. Try it, you'll be surprised. Applying this, I bought a pair of simpson driving shoes, and they have made a HUGE difference. They are thin soled and more narrow than my size 13 Nikes I normally drive in.
David
04-03-2002, 01:08 AM
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Two items to help:
a) ball of foot on brake pedal, blip gas with heel
b) Adjust brake pedal height; totally described in the shop manual. You can afford a 993, so you can afford the factory shop manual too.
On the brake pedal height adjustment, I lowered it as little as possible. Works great on hard brake application, but pedal still too high for heel-and-toe during gentle braking. However, I wanted to make sure I would still have braking if I had a failure of the front or rear braking systems - or boiled the fluid on the track. Lower the pedal too much, and you might ram it down to the floorboards in an emergency and not get braking. Feel I got a good compromise.
The dopey add-on gas pedals I think would bother me, because then the gas pedal might feel too close for normal driving. Haven't tried them so don't know for sure.
a) ball of foot on brake pedal, blip gas with heel
b) Adjust brake pedal height; totally described in the shop manual. You can afford a 993, so you can afford the factory shop manual too.
On the brake pedal height adjustment, I lowered it as little as possible. Works great on hard brake application, but pedal still too high for heel-and-toe during gentle braking. However, I wanted to make sure I would still have braking if I had a failure of the front or rear braking systems - or boiled the fluid on the track. Lower the pedal too much, and you might ram it down to the floorboards in an emergency and not get braking. Feel I got a good compromise.
The dopey add-on gas pedals I think would bother me, because then the gas pedal might feel too close for normal driving. Haven't tried them so don't know for sure.
