Nemick42

Hi All,

Can any of you recommend suitable brake pads for aggressive street use. I don't know what's in the car right now, but it takes waaaay too long for the brakes to start biting. Bleeding is not an issue, as they have been recently bled.
I just need something with better initial bite and I don't want to have to experiment too much. Naturally, I did a search, but that was altogether too confusing.

Thanks

nile13

Not usually being a fan of OEM brakes, nor German pads, in case of Porsche I would recommend the OEM Textars. They work very well on the street, and if you hurry, you might still get them from a dealer for $40 an axle.
I have experience with Mintex, Axxis, Hawk, EBC Green and others, but not on a P-car. For the P-car I just got replacement Textars from the dealer to swap in when my current ones wear out.

ceboyd

been using EBC Greenstuff on the 95 993 at all 4 corners with zimmerman rotors and brake feel has been great for street as well as DE events so far but only put about 1200 miles on them since December last year..

...got 'em from TireRack (they DO allow for the stock sensors to be hooked up to them)

TheOtherEric

I'm no brake expert, but it sounds like you're looking for something with really good coeff. of friction when cold. Doesn't that mean you want to avoid "agressive street" or "autocross" or "race" pads and stay with something like good OEM pads? Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

ceboyd

..already purchased EBC Greenstuff for the 96 993 with big reds and going to be installing at least the front pads this weekend or next weekend before the next DE Road America track day in may.

Rezal

Stay away from the Ferodo DS 2500s. I had them for a few months and my two piece Classic IIs are completely trashed. The enameled/painted center is fine but the polished rims look like anthracite gray now with all the corrosion. Although I don't religiously clean my wheels, I do clean them at least once a month with P-21s, a very mild cleaner. Unfortunately, with the Ferodos, it appears that you may have to clean them after every drive! I took advantage of the Porsche brake pad sale and now running stock pads all round. I'll worry about race pads at the next DE.

Nemick42

Thanks for all the input.

Eric, I would say that you are somewhat correct. I am more interested in initial high co-efficient of friction, rather than a pad which needs to be heated well before use. This would normally mean that I am looking for a softer pad, but if what I have is OEM, and I think it is, they're just not getting it done.

ceboyd

o.k. well I can tell you that we don't drive the 993s though chicago winters BUT DO drive a VW 1.8t (180hp) with EBC greenstuff pads and have ZERO issues in our brutal winters with stopping power despite salt, freezing, etc..

...if that gives you any help I don't know since it is a different car...

Edward

Nemick,

OEM Textars in the OE Porsche box is the answer. If yours truly are the OE pads, I'd suggest that there is something else that's causing it not to bite well (perhaps glazed or contaminated pads and/or rotors. OE pads on OE rotors (all in good shape, of course) have excellent initial bite and good feel, IMO.

Edward

Nemick42

Edward,

Thanks for the comment. I may take things apart this weekend to see whats going on.

STLPCA

What Edward said - oem Textar is the ticket for street & occasional DE use.

Rick

What Edward & Dan said...I've had these on my C2S that primarily sees street use but once in awhile makes it on to the track. I've run full 30 minute sessions agressively with no brake fade and yet they're quiet & very effective on the street. If you're having an issue with initial bite I don't think it's because of the kind of pad; I'd lean towards the possibility that they're glazed or that something isn't right with the rotors.
Also, I'd be cautious about moving to a real performance or race pad - you'll find them relatively ineffective until the temps get up high enough.
Are the Ferodo DS 2000's a different compound than the 2500? I used the DS 2000's on my cab (previous car) and had none of the issues referenced above.

Edit: just to be clear, I've never used OE brake fluid in my 993. I've always used ATE SUPER BLUE/ TYPE 200 GOLD BRAKE FLUID and never had issues with fade or boiling the fluid.

ceboyd

well, I managed to melt the stock textar's last weekend at the track.. AND felt brake fade

(Gingerman running consistant 1:42s for those who know the track)


....so now the ebc greenstuff is the next step...

chris walrod

for street driving, I too would strongly suggest OEM Textars. They have good cold bite and are quiet. I have DE'd with them before at a venue which was VERY demanding on brakes. I did boil the fluid and had a mushy pedal the rest of the day, but never got pad fade. They are impressive being a 'stock' pad.

For larger tracks, I typically use PFC 97F and 90R compound pads. Their cold bite is decent, but once warmed my eyeballs want to pop out of my head! They are dusty and noisy, but only for track events.

You may want to go out and rebed your current pads into your rotors to brake any glazing you have. This has worked for me when I have had customer cars with high-effort braking. Just be sure to look out whose behind you so you dont get rear-ended

5 or 8 hard, just shy of the ABS stops from 60 to 10 mph will do the trick. Then put around not using the brakes to cool them..

Good luck!

Ray Calvo

Gotta go along with others; stock Textar work great on street and in autocrosses.