cmoss

Went to a used race car site... Interstingly enough all the 993 GT2 Cup cars were >$100K. There were several 993 GT3 Cup cars <$100k. Why?

VerySideways

Wild guess:

Porsche made less than 200 993 GT2's, less than 50 were road cars (so around 150 race cars).
I know someone that owns a road 993 GT2. These things start at 450bhp (My friend's is a modest 525bhp).

The 996 GT3 (road car) is only sporting 360bhp and is a lot easier to get hold (less rare).

I suspect the rarity value probably means more than the outright power and power-to-weight aspects.

As i said though, this is just a guess.
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Greg Fishman

What website? Here is one with a lot of racing Porsches:
<a href="http://www.carclassic.com/html/PORSCHE993RACING.htm" target="_blank">http://www.carclassic.com/html/PORSCHE993RACING.htm</a>

The GT-2 (not Cup Car) was a 600+hp Twin Turbo race car that campaigned in the GT-2 class in various sports car series.

This is an example of the GT-2: <a href="http://www.carclassic.com/html/BE91.htm" target="_blank">http://www.carclassic.com/html/BE91.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.carclassic.com/html/CX26.htm" target="_blank">http://www.carclassic.com/html/CX26.htm</a>

The 993 Cup car was a lot cheaper to begin with probably just over $100K where the GT-2 was close to if not over $200K. They are just that different.

Here is some info on the 993 Cup Car.
<a href="http://absolute911.mega.net.kg/993cup.html" target="_blank">http://absolute911.mega.net.kg/993cup.html</a>

The 993RSR was in the middle of these two. It ran in GT-3 class with other NA cars with a displacement limit around 5L. These were in the mid $100K range and with options where probably close to a base GT-2.

Greg Fishman

CMoss,
In your subject heading you wrote 996GT3 but in your post you wrote 993 GT3. Which did you mean?

My guess why the 996GT3 is much less $$ than the GT2 is that there are a lot of them available and due to the economy being in the dumps. The GT-2's are rare and not being made anymore unlike the 996GT3 Cup Cars which are being improved on every year.

Stuttgart

I'm assuming your talking about the 993 GT2 vs. the 996 GT3. The original factory made 993 GT2's were built for lemans and the had 450hp (600hp in the GT2 evo), they weigh 2500lbs, and have 10x18in. wheels in the front and 11x18in wheels in the rear. They are extremely fast cars(faster+rarer=more money). The 996 GT3 cup cars have 380hp, weigh 2450lbs, and have smaller tires. They are also more abundant.

Greg Fishman

[quote]Originally posted by Stuttgart:
<strong> The original factory made 993 GT2's were built for lemans and the had 450hp (600hp in the GT2 evo</strong><hr></blockquote>

The street car version was 450hp. The race car was 530hp, of course there were many developments that brought this number north of 600.

cmoss

Greg,
Here’s the site, It’s called Race Cars Direct.
<a href="http://www.racecarsdirect.com/cars/list.asp?t=forSale&p=Car" target="_blank">Race Cars Direct</a> I looked under "Sport."

Please note that I find the naming/models a bit confusing. There seem to be several different kinds. I’ve always assumed that a Cup car was a Cup car--what with never having owned one... I guess I always thought that they were sold in a more-or-less single configuration. Here are some examples with the names as they appeared.

Here is a...
<a href="http://www.racecarsdirect.com/cars/details.asp?" target="_blank">turbo</a>

Here’s an..
<a href="http://www.racecarsdirect.com/cars/details.asp?id=1668&cat=4" target="_blank">RSR</a>

And a...
<a href="http://www.racecarsdirect.com/cars/details.asp?id=2393&cat=4" target="_blank">911GT2</a>

Here’s a couple of GT3’s. One claims to be a “Cup Car” if that subtle twist is important…
<a href="http://www.racecarsdirect.com/cars/details.asp?id=2998&cat=4" target="_blank">GT3</a>

<a href="http://www.racecarsdirect.com/cars/details.asp?id=2925&cat=4" target="_blank">GT3</a>


At any rate, I was surprised to see older tech go for more than newer tech. Since I don’t see many 993’s winning races these days I just assumed that they would be cheaper than the new stuff.

Oh yeah, here’s my new car. Just have to write the check…
<a href="http://www.racecarsdirect.com/cars/details.asp?id=1648&cat=4" target="_blank">New Car ;-)</a>

Cheers,
Chris

Stuttgart

Race car prices depend greatly on the condition of the chassis and hours on the engine and drivetrain. For clarification the term "cup car" usually refers to one of three cars: 964 carrera cup cars, 993 supercup and carrera cupcars, and 996 supercup cars. The term "Cup Car" comes from Cup series, all porsche cup cars with identical chassis and engines only allowing alignment changes. The Supercup series was the larger more competitive series racing before the F1 races. The carrera cup series used identical cars as the Supercup series but the races were usually a national series: French, German, and Japanese Carrera cup.

The 993 RSR was made to compete in IMSA's GTS 2 class, these are very fast cars. They are basically a beefed up version of a cup car with a built motor and bigger tires. In perfect condition they are slightly faster than 996 Supercup cars.

To give you an Idea of prices:
-993 cup cars $75-90k very reliable, much rarer than 996 cup cars
-993 RSR $95-110k getting rarer these days
-993GT2 $95-150k very rare and very fast
-996 cup cars $75-105k lots of these in the market right now with varying conditions and packages(i.e. speedvision upgrade etc.)

The 996 cars are also cheaper b/c they need more maintnance, 993 cup engine can go longer without a maintanence b/c it is a much simpler engine and it is not "built". 993 cup cars put out 315hp, which is the same as the 993rs street car.

cmoss

Thankx Stuttgart! Now I understand the competition structure much better.