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Old 09-25-2017, 03:06 PM
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I'm not sure what your goals are with finding a 993... is this a long term investment? Are you intending on keeping it a garage queen? If you're looking for something to drive and put miles on there's better value looking elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by Gadsby
Go this route and you'll never worry about mileage again. Yes it's not a 993 but I drive it everyday, except winter.
How long ago did the odometer gear break?

Just kidding, just kidding
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Originally Posted by JonCanadian
PCO sent me their service record. Based on the invoice, they got the car Dec 2016 and finished Jan2017. Most of the work is standard service stuff (brakes, filters, fluids, plugs, battery, wipers etc) and new tires. There was a valve cover gasket replacement based on an oil leak and new seals on a bumper and one of the doors. Seems pretty ordinary to me. This car is looking pretty good at the moment...

I got a kick out of the invoice they wrote to themselves: $10K Cdn, 5.5K of that in labor. Love the $45/each wipers and the 2 hour labour for the brake flush.
What tires did they put on? That could reveal how half-assed of a job they've done with the rest of it.
Old 09-25-2017, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JonCanadian
I got a kick out of the invoice they wrote to themselves: $10K Cdn, 5.5K of that in labor. Love the $45/each wipers and the 2 hour labour for the brake flush.
You have't owned a Porsche before, have you?

The brake flush actually requires ABS pump procedure with Hammer. Of course they charge for it. 2 ours is not completely scumbaggy. Considering its a dealer, I'm surprised. And, of course they wrote that invoice. The tax is on _profit_. I.e., the selling price minus price of acquisition and cost of repairs. So, I'm sure, they'll manage a near-0 tax liability somehow.
Old 09-25-2017, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by nile13
You have't owned a Porsche before, have you?

The brake flush actually requires ABS pump procedure with Hammer. Of course they charge for it. 2 ours is not completely scumbaggy. Considering its a dealer, I'm surprised. And, of course they wrote that invoice. The tax is on _profit_. I.e., the selling price minus price of acquisition and cost of repairs. So, I'm sure, they'll manage a near-0 tax liability somehow.

Just BMW so I know. The flush isn't as simple as a Motive power bleed?
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You can partially flush with a motive, or by human pedal-power. But that would not flush the ABS pump Which needs to be exercised by Durametric, I believe.
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Originally Posted by nile13
What tires did they put on? That could reveal how half-assed of a job they've done with the rest of it.
They put Pirelli's on. Not sure which type. Part number 2-540-300 and 2-540-500 on invoice.
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The only mention I see of "2 540 300" is here: http://bmwfans.info/parts-catalog/E8...s/summer_tires and it points to an extremely crappy Goodyear tire. Not that Pirellis would be my first, second or twelfth choice.
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Originally Posted by nile13
The only mention I see of "2 540 300" is here: http://bmwfans.info/parts-catalog/E8...s/summer_tires and it points to an extremely crappy Goodyear tire. Not that Pirellis would be my first, second or twelfth choice.
You should tell us exactly how you feel.

OP, get a full PPI from a respected air cooled specialist shop to include leak down and compression if you want to drop that kind of coin for a car.
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*****hmmm, I could be wrong about the metallic in OB.........
No, you're correct. Definitely metallic. It may look like black in some photos but in person and in daylight, it's obviously a beautiful blue.

Whether it's the best-ever color on a 993 will always be subject to personal preference. But, I still really like Ocean Blue after 15 years of ownership.
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Originally Posted by uniquenamehere
I'm not sure what your goals are with finding a 993... is this a long term investment? Are you intending on keeping it a garage queen? If you're looking for something to drive and put miles on there's better value looking elsewhere.
For driving. It's not going to be an investment or a garage queen.

The reason I'm thinking 993 is somewhat convoluted. For the past few months i was thinking about getting a 991.2 GTS. I drove a 991.2 S and I liked it but I had hoped for a more "involving' experience. I don't do track so a car has to feel exciting and maybe a bit edgy on the street. I felt the same way when I tested a BMW M3 F80: nice car but I'm not getting rid of my E90 yet. My benchmark fun car is a BMW 2002. Yah that was 30 years ago and it rusted to crap, but boy was it fun to drive. I like the 991 luxury and comfort but I want to get out there and drive and sweat a little. I had a lightbulb moment a few weeks ago when an aircooled 911 drove past me on my bike. I realized that I could swing a new Macan GTS AND a decent 993 for only a bit more than the price of a new 991.2 GTS. I'm thinking best of both worlds: luxury, comfort and a bit a fun in the Macan and a big bag of joy in the 993. Whatever the 993 costs in repairs, it'll be less that the depreciation hit of a new 991.
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Originally Posted by JonCanadian
For driving. It's not going to be an investment or a garage queen.

The reason I'm thinking 993 is somewhat convoluted. For the past few months i was thinking about getting a 991.2 GTS. I drove a 991.2 S and I liked it but I had hoped for a more "involving' experience. I don't do track so a car has to feel exciting and maybe a bit edgy on the street. I felt the same way when I tested a BMW M3 F80: nice car but I'm not getting rid of my E90 yet. My benchmark fun car is a BMW 2002. Yah that was 30 years ago and it rusted to crap, but boy was it fun to drive. I like the 991 luxury and comfort but I want to get out there and drive and sweat a little. I had a lightbulb moment a few weeks ago when an aircooled 911 drove past me on my bike. I realized that I could swing a new Macan GTS AND a decent 993 for only a bit more than the price of a new 991.2 GTS. I'm thinking best of both worlds: luxury, comfort and a bit a fun in the Macan and a big bag of joy in the 993. Whatever the 993 costs in repairs, it'll be less that the depreciation hit of a new 991.
Seems logical to me. If you get a low mile car and then refresh the bits that have aged (mostly suspension probably) then you will have a truly fantastic car! Its not the cheapest way to go, like a higher mileage well maintained driver, but you won't be disappointed.


I like the white one you started the thread with, looks classy.
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Originally Posted by chsu74
You should tell us exactly how you feel.
I always do, Chao, I always do
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Originally Posted by JonCanadian
The reason I'm thinking 993 is somewhat convoluted. For the past few months i was thinking about getting a 991.2 GTS. I drove a 991.2 S and I liked it but I had hoped for a more "involving' experience. I don't do track so a car has to feel exciting and maybe a bit edgy on the street. I felt the same way when I tested a BMW M3 F80: nice car but I'm not getting rid of my E90 yet. My benchmark fun car is a BMW 2002. Yah that was 30 years ago and it rusted to crap, but boy was it fun to drive. I like the 991 luxury and comfort but I want to get out there and drive and sweat a little. I had a lightbulb moment a few weeks ago when an aircooled 911 drove past me on my bike. I realized that I could swing a new Macan GTS AND a decent 993 for only a bit more than the price of a new 991.2 GTS. I'm thinking best of both worlds: luxury, comfort and a bit a fun in the Macan and a big bag of joy in the 993. Whatever the 993 costs in repairs, it'll be less that the depreciation hit of a new 991.
That is not convoluted. That is the exact reasoning why 90% of the current 993 owners are here.
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Originally Posted by JonCanadian
For driving. It's not going to be an investment or a garage queen.

The reason I'm thinking 993 is somewhat convoluted. For the past few months i was thinking about getting a 991.2 GTS. I drove a 991.2 S and I liked it but I had hoped for a more "involving' experience. I don't do track so a car has to feel exciting and maybe a bit edgy on the street. I felt the same way when I tested a BMW M3 F80: nice car but I'm not getting rid of my E90 yet. My benchmark fun car is a BMW 2002. Yah that was 30 years ago and it rusted to crap, but boy was it fun to drive. I like the 991 luxury and comfort but I want to get out there and drive and sweat a little. I had a lightbulb moment a few weeks ago when an aircooled 911 drove past me on my bike. I realized that I could swing a new Macan GTS AND a decent 993 for only a bit more than the price of a new 991.2 GTS. I'm thinking best of both worlds: luxury, comfort and a bit a fun in the Macan and a big bag of joy in the 993. Whatever the 993 costs in repairs, it'll be less that the depreciation hit of a new 991.
Go test drive a 16 spyder for an involving driving experience if you want modern amenities and an all around package. 375hp and 2900lbs with a mid engine layout.

Not many of them around and imagine those will keep value better than 991.1GT3s.


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