What to do with $60K.....?
12-03-2002, 10:04 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by DC from Cape Cod:
<strong>Hmmm.....so quantity (400 HP) wins out over quality (immaculate, loaded, low mileage C2S) then?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Listen to your own instincts. The way you said this very early in the thread tells me you want the C2S, not the TT.
<strong>Hmmm.....so quantity (400 HP) wins out over quality (immaculate, loaded, low mileage C2S) then?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Listen to your own instincts. The way you said this very early in the thread tells me you want the C2S, not the TT.
12-03-2002, 10:06 PM
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Doug, tell me your not basing this purchase on future resale? I would buy the TT because it is going to be the baddest car on the road and the best drive you've ever experienced while awake. Buy the one that's the ballsiest, not the prettiest. Girls like pretty, boys like ***** to the walls.
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12-03-2002, 11:00 PM
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Yes, but I like girls...
Seriously, I keep thinking about the C2S...far more than the Turbo. Speed isn't everything and I would rather have a 99.5/100 C2S than a 85/100 Turbo...quality is winning out.
Resale is not really an issue....but understanding depreciation and making an informed decision based on all the data is important (to me).
Seriously, I keep thinking about the C2S...far more than the Turbo. Speed isn't everything and I would rather have a 99.5/100 C2S than a 85/100 Turbo...quality is winning out.
Resale is not really an issue....but understanding depreciation and making an informed decision based on all the data is important (to me).
12-03-2002, 11:19 PM
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Doug,
Have you ever driven a 993 twin turbo??? I think that is the most basic question. In order to really make the judgement call on the C2S vs. the turbo.
I have a feeling your quality over quantity thoughts may change quickly when the quantity of the TT shoves you in the back so hard you have a hard time holding onto the wheel. <img src="graemlins/a_smil17.gif" border="0" alt="[blabla]" />
One other point of interest though... I do think if you really are concerned with keeping the car forever that the C2S will be easier and cheaper to maintain and ultimately more reliable once the
car gets up there in mileage. If this is not a concern I really think you need to drive a Turbo to make the proper decision.
Have you ever driven a 993 twin turbo??? I think that is the most basic question. In order to really make the judgement call on the C2S vs. the turbo.
I have a feeling your quality over quantity thoughts may change quickly when the quantity of the TT shoves you in the back so hard you have a hard time holding onto the wheel. <img src="graemlins/a_smil17.gif" border="0" alt="[blabla]" />
One other point of interest though... I do think if you really are concerned with keeping the car forever that the C2S will be easier and cheaper to maintain and ultimately more reliable once the
car gets up there in mileage. If this is not a concern I really think you need to drive a Turbo to make the proper decision.
12-03-2002, 11:23 PM
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Hmm, my thoughts would echo that if you are buying it as an investment its a mistake...additionally, one test drive of each should give you your answer immediately...2 different animals.
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12-03-2002, 11:32 PM
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None of these cars are investments but different cars will hold their value better than others. It is not a deal-breaking issue for me by any stretch but I do weigh all the factors when making a decision.
The color of the Turbo is not desireable to me and neither is the AWD.
I've been in a Turbo but not driven one....
Thank you all for your input....I need some seat time in the C2S....I can always get another car in a few years and I would CERTAINLY have regrets if I didn't get the C2S now.
The color of the Turbo is not desireable to me and neither is the AWD.
I've been in a Turbo but not driven one....
Thank you all for your input....I need some seat time in the C2S....I can always get another car in a few years and I would CERTAINLY have regrets if I didn't get the C2S now.
12-04-2002, 12:11 AM
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Im not really qualified to give detailed advice, as Ive never driven any 993, Turbo or otherwise, but Ill just echo what some have said here.
The only way to know which car you prefer is to drive them both. Its foolish to even think about spending $60k+ if youre not sure what you want. Some people hate turbocharged cars because of the lag and the changes that must be made in driving style from that point forward, others hate NA cars because there is no "surprise" at 3500 RPM. Personally I love boost - its addictive and able to put a smile on my face every time the needle swings to the right.
Obviously the 993TT is the car that gets all the headlines - great press for both cars, but Motor Trend describing the 993TT acceleration as "downright violent" just does somthing for me.
YMMV, good luck!
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The only way to know which car you prefer is to drive them both. Its foolish to even think about spending $60k+ if youre not sure what you want. Some people hate turbocharged cars because of the lag and the changes that must be made in driving style from that point forward, others hate NA cars because there is no "surprise" at 3500 RPM. Personally I love boost - its addictive and able to put a smile on my face every time the needle swings to the right.
Obviously the 993TT is the car that gets all the headlines - great press for both cars, but Motor Trend describing the 993TT acceleration as "downright violent" just does somthing for me.
YMMV, good luck!
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12-04-2002, 12:35 AM
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Maybe I need to clarify....I've owned a number of 911's before including a 1996 993. I am not yet a good enough driver to handle a NA 933 yet, let alone a Turbo. I have decided that I would rather work on my skills and have something left to "grow into".
I am not convinced that the Turbo is a better car, merely a different, albeit more powerful, car.
I am not convinced that the Turbo is a better car, merely a different, albeit more powerful, car.
12-04-2002, 12:40 AM
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I would go with your instincts, but i do have to say that the twin turbo is simply AWESOME. My father has a 97tt and every chance i get to drive it, i cannot whipe the grin off my face for weeks. Sure it weighs 3300lbs but you really don't feel the weight with the incredible brakes, power and handling.
-As for overheating, not an issue, we track the car and have taken in to places like roebling road mid-summer with two drivers , no overheating.
-As for the AWD, it really isn't too intrusive, it does take some getting used to in autocrosses and on the track. It is basically a rear wheel drive car until the rear tires lose traction, then power is shift through the center diff to the front wheels. When you figure the awd out you can get it to do amazing things. And often times it can really save your butt when you exceed the limits of is handling.
-Reliability-these cars are the ultimate evolution of the air cooled porsche, the 993 series is simpley one of the most reliable cars on the road today(turbo or NA). My father has tracked the car since new and i would posit that 5000 of its 20000 miles are track miles, and it runs like a top, no problems
-Investment- the way i look at it the 993 twin turbo is basically a 959 for a third the price(new). With prices ranging from 60k to 90k its a steal, for a supercar like the TT. In my opinion i don't see the prices going down any further, the Twin Turbo will always be an incredible and unforgetable car, regardless of age.
Drive both and pick the one that makes you feel the best.
-As for overheating, not an issue, we track the car and have taken in to places like roebling road mid-summer with two drivers , no overheating.
-As for the AWD, it really isn't too intrusive, it does take some getting used to in autocrosses and on the track. It is basically a rear wheel drive car until the rear tires lose traction, then power is shift through the center diff to the front wheels. When you figure the awd out you can get it to do amazing things. And often times it can really save your butt when you exceed the limits of is handling.
-Reliability-these cars are the ultimate evolution of the air cooled porsche, the 993 series is simpley one of the most reliable cars on the road today(turbo or NA). My father has tracked the car since new and i would posit that 5000 of its 20000 miles are track miles, and it runs like a top, no problems
-Investment- the way i look at it the 993 twin turbo is basically a 959 for a third the price(new). With prices ranging from 60k to 90k its a steal, for a supercar like the TT. In my opinion i don't see the prices going down any further, the Twin Turbo will always be an incredible and unforgetable car, regardless of age.
Drive both and pick the one that makes you feel the best.
12-04-2002, 01:08 AM
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Sounds like you've made up your mind -- if so, then go for it. I do think you should drive the Carrera S before you buy it, though. Was your '96 993 a coupe? Many people prefer the way the "narrow" standard Carrera drives compared to the wider and heavier Carrera S. With less weight and less aero drag, it is quicker and more agile. Also, the S understeers more with its wider rear track. That said, if you can't get the S out of your mind, that's probably all you need to know.
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12-04-2002, 01:18 AM
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My 1996 was a C2 Cab....
I really like the look of the C2S and I would rather have a top-of-the-line C2S at $60K then a lower-end Turbo at $60K.
I can adapt to the differences caused by the widebody easily enough. This car will only see about 2,000 miles per year.
I really like the look of the C2S and I would rather have a top-of-the-line C2S at $60K then a lower-end Turbo at $60K.
I can adapt to the differences caused by the widebody easily enough. This car will only see about 2,000 miles per year.
12-04-2002, 03:50 AM
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Go get some seat time in both and then if you like the TT better go find one in better shape and the colour you want. The Turbo isn't for everyone, but if I had 60 grand my plate would be on the TT! Just my .02
12-04-2002, 04:50 AM
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Doug,
The TT gives you a dimension that can't be equaled by the "S". It is very drivable in traffic, has better brakes (big reds) and is a blast to drive.
How can you make any real judgments without driving a TT for an hour or so? Also, I haven't heard anyone with a TT having a problem of overheating in traffic.
Good luck with your choice.
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The TT gives you a dimension that can't be equaled by the "S". It is very drivable in traffic, has better brakes (big reds) and is a blast to drive.
How can you make any real judgments without driving a TT for an hour or so? Also, I haven't heard anyone with a TT having a problem of overheating in traffic.
Good luck with your choice.
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