Driver's worst nightmare. My tire almost ripped off my rim on the freeway!
11-29-2003, 12:14 AM
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Something to note!
Porsche does not allow its dealers to plug or patch tires, it may impair their (high) performance. WE might have the same policy. Given the potential for future disaster, a new tire is always the cheapest option.
I learnt this after I got a flat with 600 miles on a new car. The dealer charged $560 for the new tire, which Porsche subsequently (kindly) reimbursed.
I'm with Todd, you were well treated by WE.
Porsche does not allow its dealers to plug or patch tires, it may impair their (high) performance. WE might have the same policy. Given the potential for future disaster, a new tire is always the cheapest option.
I learnt this after I got a flat with 600 miles on a new car. The dealer charged $560 for the new tire, which Porsche subsequently (kindly) reimbursed.
I'm with Todd, you were well treated by WE.
11-29-2003, 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by Todd Serota [TracQuest]
You need to learn to terrorize the track, Shant, before you terrorize roads. :-)
Come on up to Infineon (formerly Sears Point) on Dec. 8-9, or if that's too far, Laguna Seca in March and/or Buttonwillow in April. If you've never driven on a track, or gone for a ride with a really experienced and skilled track driver, it will be a revelation!
You need to learn to terrorize the track, Shant, before you terrorize roads. :-)
Come on up to Infineon (formerly Sears Point) on Dec. 8-9, or if that's too far, Laguna Seca in March and/or Buttonwillow in April. If you've never driven on a track, or gone for a ride with a really experienced and skilled track driver, it will be a revelation!
11-29-2003, 12:50 AM
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Hi Shant:
You don't need any special equipment to participate. I even have loaner helmets available (for free) if you don't want to go out and purchase one until you're addicted to the sport (after about the first 2 laps!). You especially DO NOT need "race tires." Too many novices go out and get R compound tires before they've learned to handle their cars at the limit. This makes it harder to learn because they don't give nearly as much of an audible warning as they get near the limit, they break away more suddenly and you're going faster when they do break away.
As far as the tracks go, Buttonwillow isn't far at all - only about 110 miles from Granada Hills - about 40 miles further than Willow Springs. Buttonwillow is also one of the best tracks in the country on which to learn because it's got a little bit of everything and lots of runoff room just about everywhere in case your testosterone level momentarily exceeds your intelligence level. :-)
You don't need any special equipment to participate. I even have loaner helmets available (for free) if you don't want to go out and purchase one until you're addicted to the sport (after about the first 2 laps!). You especially DO NOT need "race tires." Too many novices go out and get R compound tires before they've learned to handle their cars at the limit. This makes it harder to learn because they don't give nearly as much of an audible warning as they get near the limit, they break away more suddenly and you're going faster when they do break away.
As far as the tracks go, Buttonwillow isn't far at all - only about 110 miles from Granada Hills - about 40 miles further than Willow Springs. Buttonwillow is also one of the best tracks in the country on which to learn because it's got a little bit of everything and lots of runoff room just about everywhere in case your testosterone level momentarily exceeds your intelligence level. :-)
11-29-2003, 01:36 AM
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Todd,
I've run a few events with some of the other groups, but never with your group. I'd like to get my 16 year-old son some track experience; perhaps we could share the Cobra (I'm not ready to unleash him in the turbo). Would your group accomodate driver/passenger on the track? Can your group allow a 16-year-old on the track? We'd run in your slowest run-group, and swap seats during a session.
I've run a few events with some of the other groups, but never with your group. I'd like to get my 16 year-old son some track experience; perhaps we could share the Cobra (I'm not ready to unleash him in the turbo). Would your group accomodate driver/passenger on the track? Can your group allow a 16-year-old on the track? We'd run in your slowest run-group, and swap seats during a session.
11-29-2003, 03:01 AM
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Shant,
When I look at the tyre, with all the experiece I have, the I would say that you drove to far on a low pressure tyre, then the rim damaged together with the weight of the car, the tyre. We have in the dealership 2 such tyres right now from two different costumers, same problem. The one is a Bridgestone, the other is a Firestone. I'don't think Michelin or the shop did this. Sorry, may be not the answer you want to hear, but it's a fact that this is a low pressure problem.
Wish you good luck!
When I look at the tyre, with all the experiece I have, the I would say that you drove to far on a low pressure tyre, then the rim damaged together with the weight of the car, the tyre. We have in the dealership 2 such tyres right now from two different costumers, same problem. The one is a Bridgestone, the other is a Firestone. I'don't think Michelin or the shop did this. Sorry, may be not the answer you want to hear, but it's a fact that this is a low pressure problem.
Wish you good luck!
11-29-2003, 03:32 AM
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Hi Steve:
I'd love to have both you and your son join us! I presume your son has a driver's license. You can share a car in the same run group with just an extra driver fee or submit two separate entries, each of you using the car in a different run group. Email me regarding the passenger situation. There are rules imposed by my new insurance carrier, but we should be able to work within them to accomplish what you want. Remember, though - at Willow Springs and Thunderhill the Cobra would have to have a roll bar, roll hoops or pop-up bars due to the track's rules.
I'd love to have both you and your son join us! I presume your son has a driver's license. You can share a car in the same run group with just an extra driver fee or submit two separate entries, each of you using the car in a different run group. Email me regarding the passenger situation. There are rules imposed by my new insurance carrier, but we should be able to work within them to accomplish what you want. Remember, though - at Willow Springs and Thunderhill the Cobra would have to have a roll bar, roll hoops or pop-up bars due to the track's rules.
11-29-2003, 04:00 AM
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Originally posted by Cy
...But even if this were the case, I think you would have felt and/or heard other symptoms (ex. unbalanced-type ride quality, thumping noises, etc.) prior to the blow out and you wouldn't have "burnt" the rubber.
Burnt rubber = very high temperatures. Very high temperatures in sidewalls = excessive flex in sidewalls. Excessive side wall flex = low pressure. Your pictures show a sidewall failure pretty much where the tire would be overflexed in a low pressure situation.
...But even if this were the case, I think you would have felt and/or heard other symptoms (ex. unbalanced-type ride quality, thumping noises, etc.) prior to the blow out and you wouldn't have "burnt" the rubber.
Burnt rubber = very high temperatures. Very high temperatures in sidewalls = excessive flex in sidewalls. Excessive side wall flex = low pressure. Your pictures show a sidewall failure pretty much where the tire would be overflexed in a low pressure situation.
11-29-2003, 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by Todd Serota [TracQuest]
Hi Shant:
As far as the tracks go, Buttonwillow isn't far at all - only about 110 miles from Granada Hills - about 40 miles further than Willow Springs. Buttonwillow is also one of the best tracks in the country on which to learn because it's got a little bit of everything and lots of runoff room just about everywhere in case your testosterone level momentarily exceeds your intelligence level. :-)
Hi Shant:
As far as the tracks go, Buttonwillow isn't far at all - only about 110 miles from Granada Hills - about 40 miles further than Willow Springs. Buttonwillow is also one of the best tracks in the country on which to learn because it's got a little bit of everything and lots of runoff room just about everywhere in case your testosterone level momentarily exceeds your intelligence level. :-)
Originally posted by Silver Bullet
And you actually obeyed them?...
And you actually obeyed them?...
i think i took it up tp 70mph on the straight away which is still not nearly as fast as what the other guys were doing. I have to admit, it was the best rush i have ever gotten.
11-29-2003, 03:20 PM
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I second what Todd writes, Buttonwillow is a sweet little track, lots of run off and plenty of variety on the turns. I have only been there once but would gladly go back.
11-30-2003, 04:13 AM
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Since this thread is already OT, I'll chime in with "I love Buttonwillow, too"....you'll like it Shant! Not only is there lots of runoff for "safe" excursions, it's a fairly tight track (depending on how it's configured) which means you're spending more time working on your technique at lower speeds than at Willow. But on that note, "Streets of Willow" is also a fabulous "learning" track for all the same reasons as Buttonwillow, just a shorter track.
And if you're concerned about your car's "garage queen" status, DEs are pretty mild on your car, and you can protect your finish pretty well with tape. Warning: your first track day will grease that slippery slope....You've been warned
Edward
And if you're concerned about your car's "garage queen" status, DEs are pretty mild on your car, and you can protect your finish pretty well with tape. Warning: your first track day will grease that slippery slope....You've been warned
Edward
11-30-2003, 09:12 AM
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hey Todd Serota [TracQuest],
I'm only a 951 guy, but i really want to get on the track, learn my car, learn to REALLY drive. I'm away from home, which is Los Angeles, for school in North Dakota, but I will be home from December 18th to January 12th. Is there anything going on that i can attend during these dates? also, tell me what to bring etc, will you be able to lend me two helmets? thanks a lot. Hey, if you can PM me your answer as well, I dont get through the 993 borads to often, and will likely forget to check back here for a couple days. thanks!!!
~Eyal
I'm only a 951 guy, but i really want to get on the track, learn my car, learn to REALLY drive. I'm away from home, which is Los Angeles, for school in North Dakota, but I will be home from December 18th to January 12th. Is there anything going on that i can attend during these dates? also, tell me what to bring etc, will you be able to lend me two helmets? thanks a lot. Hey, if you can PM me your answer as well, I dont get through the 993 borads to often, and will likely forget to check back here for a couple days. thanks!!!
~Eyal
