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Old 05-24-2018, 11:03 PM
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The 991 Turbo is such a goofy looking car IMO, particularly in profile. Big wheel gaps, the front bumber is too short and weak looking, and those side rear bumper vents are awful. Those cars really donít even look like a 911 to me. All the proportions, lines and the stance are just off.
Then you should stop staring.
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Old 05-24-2018, 11:21 PM
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Wonder if they keep that odd straight line hood. Are those back wheels as big as they look, dang that is just too much. Maybe it is just the picture.
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Old 05-24-2018, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by worf928 View Post

Then, logically, the 992 non-Turbo next to it must also look goofy and un-911 like in your eyes.

I guess you donít have a 991 and wonít be getting a 992.
Actually I owned a gorgeous 991.1S that I think is one of the most beautiful 911s ever built. The 991 TT took that general shape and made a goofy mess of it. That pic above is a perfect example of what Iím saying. It looks like a 991 if it were styled by Hyundai.
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While I suspect it helps aero, aesthetically I donít like how the hood level keeps rising with each generation, but otherwise Iím sure it will be a nice looking car.

The 991 mules were much less attractive than the final car.
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Old 05-25-2018, 10:30 AM
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Iím not sure about that strait line hood in the front. Is that to through us off or is that the way it will be in the 992?
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Wonder if they keep that odd straight line hood. Are those back wheels as big as they look, dang that is just too much. Maybe it is just the picture.
I think the straight bumper is how the final model will look like - they're adopting design elements of older 911s, same with the light bar in the rear. The panel gap on the mules probably makes it look worse than it is.



The wheels do look larger. The 991 Turbo and 992 are at a different angle but appear at roughly the same distance from the camera and the 21" on the 991 Turbo look smaller than the wheels on the 992.

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While I suspect it helps aero, aesthetically I donít like how the hood level keeps rising with each generation, but otherwise Iím sure it will be a nice looking car.

The 991 mules were much less attractive than the final car.
I don't think it's any higher than on the 991.
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Old 05-25-2018, 03:50 PM
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White calipers - PSCB?
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Old 05-25-2018, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JMartinni View Post
I don't think it's any higher than on the 991.
Yeah looking again it doesnít look different... must have been a perceptual bias and/or odd photo angle.
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Old 05-25-2018, 10:51 PM
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White calipers - PSCB?

that would be accurate...
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I heard today from someone that attended the conference on the new Cayenne (where 992 was also talked about briefly) the following.

- Spoiler will be large
- All 911s will be wide body
- Hood will go back to being more sloped.
- Center console to most certainly be like Panamara.

Seems to be pretty much what we are seeing.
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Old 05-26-2018, 07:25 PM
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Right. All 911s will be wide body. Until they release the 4s. Those will really be wide body. Until they release the Turbo and GT cars. Those will really really be wide body.
So wide body will be like turbo. They will all be wide body. But some will really be wide body.
Got it.
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Old 05-27-2018, 01:47 AM
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http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche...-to-join-range

"New 2019 Porsche 911: hybrid 911s to join range" (Auto Express)

(24 May 2018)

The next all-new Porsche 911, set to be unveiled in 2019, will be the first-ever production version to get hybrid power, Auto Express can confirm.

And the shock news is, there could be two new 911 plug-in hybrids on the way: one to sit in the middle of the range as an alternative to the regular Carrera model, and then another positioned at the top of the range, potentially alongside the flagship 911 Turbo.

Auto Express understands there’s a passionate debate in play among Porsche engineers and decision-makers surrounding the creation of a top-flight 911 hybrid. The iconic sports car is a precious commodity to Porsche, so comes under the biggest scrutiny of all in terms of future development.

Yet the inevitable move towards hybrid and full-electric models is already well under way at the company, hence the debate over what to do with and which powertrains to offer in the next 911, previewed in our exclusive images, and captured on test by our spies.

What’s certain is that the basic platform for the car has already been “fully developed to accept a hybrid powertrain”, according to our source.

In basic form that powertrain will be similar in principle to the four-wheel-drive, 3.0-litre turbo, 100kW electric propulsion system launched recently in the Cayenne E-Hybrid, which in V6 form produces a combined 455bhp and 700Nm. But in the flat-six 911 the powertrain will be tuned to produce more sporting responses and sounds. It will be linked to a dual-clutch PDK gearbox.

Expect a 0-62mph sprint time of less than four seconds from the basic 911 hybrid, with a maximum speed of more than 180mph, as well as official economy of 80mpg-plus and CO2 emissions of less than 80g/km.

Crucially, a hybrid powertrain will also add at least 250kg to the kerbweight of the next 911 compared with petrol-only equivalents, but Porsche insiders say the lessons learned from the 918 Spyder and Cayenne E-Hybrid projects will help them maintain the 911’s agility.

In certain dynamic respects hybrid power can be used as a plus, say the firm’s hybrid engineers, with four-wheel-drive e-power adding not just traction but also handling flexibility to the 911 recipe.

But it’s the potential for Porsche to add a second, more powerful hybrid 911, to sit alongside the Turbo and Turbo S right at the top of the range, that’s causing the most consternation behind closed doors, our sources claim.

The brand’s move towards hybrids and fully electric cars in future is now in full swing, with the Mission E saloon and entrance to Formula E also confirmed.

So a range of hybrid-powered 911s at various price and performance levels would fit the mission statement, even if some fans of the traditional 911 might not approve. To appease them, the GT3, GT3 RS and GT2 RS models will remain firmly in the development programme, and will stay resolutely petrol-powered for many years, according to our source.

By 2025 Porsche anticipates its global sales will be 25 per cent full EV, 25 per cent hybrid and 50 per cent conventional power. But sales of the latest Panamera have been 75 per cent hybrid in the UK lately, so Porsche has the flexibility to easily alter those percentages, our source claims, if and when the tide continues to turn in favour of EVs and hybrids.

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Old 05-27-2018, 10:15 AM
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Iím less mad about them going partial hybrid than I am about them going full turbo. So, hybrid options donít matter to or really bother me too much. Purism is already out the door. Though they better improve their hybrid tech from the previous gen Cayenne and Panamera.
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FINALLY a comparison pic. Thank you. Most notable is the slightly narrower greenhouse. Otherwise nearly identical architecture, which is a great thing.
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Iím not sure about that strait line hood in the front. Is that to through us off or is that the way it will be in the 992?
I agree. The new hoodline looks forced and clunky on the mules. Letís hope it looks more integrated and streamlined/refined on production models.

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Old 05-27-2018, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by K-A View Post
FINALLY a comparison pic. Thank you. Most notable is the slightly narrower greenhouse. Otherwise nearly identical architecture, which is a great thing.
Consider that the cars aren't parked at the same angle. To me the cars look nearly identical in that respect, the windows might well be the exact same parts.
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Old 05-27-2018, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by K-A View Post
Iím less mad about them going partial hybrid than I am about them going full turbo. So, hybrid options donít matter to or really bother me too much.
I'd rather full turbo with a few hybrids, than all N/A hybrids with a few turbo models.

At least with turbos you can still equip a 7MT and jam gears. Impossible with a hybrid.

I can't see myself EVER buying new unless a stick is available.
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