992 Carrera T Club - New & Improved!
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For people who don't like this way here is my explanation in a conversation I have had with many
I ask people; "So you want to break in your 911, and set the rings and gaskets in the engine, and set them for the various rpms you will be driving right?"
They say "yes"
I say "well if you never go above 4k rpms for 1400 miles how are you setting the rings and engine for the raried rpm?"
Insert shocked face here hahaha
Then I ask "How do you plan to set them in for all the various rpm if you never even get to that rpm for a week, months or almost a year of breaking in the car?
I then ask so you think it is fine to be under 4k rpm for 1400 miles then redline it right after 1400 miles?
I get different Reponses to it but none that have satisfactorily refuted my reasoning.
I ask people; "So you want to break in your 911, and set the rings and gaskets in the engine, and set them for the various rpms you will be driving right?"
They say "yes"
I say "well if you never go above 4k rpms for 1400 miles how are you setting the rings and engine for the raried rpm?"
Insert shocked face here hahaha
Then I ask "How do you plan to set them in for all the various rpm if you never even get to that rpm for a week, months or almost a year of breaking in the car?
I then ask so you think it is fine to be under 4k rpm for 1400 miles then redline it right after 1400 miles?
I get different Reponses to it but none that have satisfactorily refuted my reasoning.
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Thanks. I agree that a graduated approach makes more sense than jumping from a max of 4K to a max of redline after some specified mileage like 1500, or whatever. After getting lots of advice, I've decided to keep it under 4K for the first 500 miles, then go to a max of 5K at 750 miles, 6K at 1000 miles, 7K at 1250 miles, and then up to redline after 1500 miles. I'm also going to do an oil change at 2K miles, just as an added measure.
I also got an oil change at 2500k miles because I think it is good to change the oil after the break in, as well. then I did 5k and kept it around 5k miles per oil change!
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Right? bahahaha thank you so much!
I mean when It was told to me that way as well (my dad said something similar to me before I got my car)
I was like oh well I see what you mean now! hahaha
anyway, that is the way I think Porsches should be broken in and it is a hill I am willing to die on 😂😂🤣🤣
I mean when It was told to me that way as well (my dad said something similar to me before I got my car)
I was like oh well I see what you mean now! hahaha
anyway, that is the way I think Porsches should be broken in and it is a hill I am willing to die on 😂😂🤣🤣
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Sharing my initial experience with 992 T compared to 718 GT4.
Comforth: Definitely the 992 chassis provide ample of space inside the cabin. This is one of the reason i'm switching. Also this is base on 4 ways standard seats on a 992 vs 18 ways for the GT4. Like wise the head room for a 6' ft guy and if i decide to track with close face helmet has plenty of clearance. Being i'm in heavier side (240 lbs), the 4 way seats provide very good support, may be even better than the GT4. Leg room space on the 992 is also wider.
Manual Transmission: The shift throw on the GT4 is shorter compared to the 992. The feel is comparable precise and sporty. One thing i notice on the 992, the 7th gear is hard to shift, having trouble to be honest. Given sometime i'll learn a more efficient way. But my gosh i need some serious upper body workout. Otherwise you'll have it in 5th gear accidentally.
Steering: No doubt the GT4 is more direct, simply due to the GT steering joints. Sometimes i feel for road use the GT4 can get a little busy, any deviation on the roads, the car will track and will need correction. My son describe it like he really two hands on the steering wheel to control. The 992 is more relax the small road deviation get self corrected maybe due to the additional rubber joints helps absorb and reduce the deflection. Then again two different purpose cars. I also feel that the GT4 steering is lighter, like it need some toe and camber to make it self centering. The 992 is perfect for my taste in highway speed, the right amount of feedback.
Suspension: Honestly in Sport Mode the two cars close, the 992 advantage is you have more setting so that's given. This is base on street road use, i'm sure on a track coarse we have different story. Also I've never track my GT4.
Riding dynamics: The 992 is equipped with rear wheel steering. Since i have minimal time yet on the 992 but noticeable bias weight on the rear, i mean when turning, the wiping effect? The GT4 feel more nimble (again this is given and it should be).
Cabin Noise and Exhaust Note: Exhaust note on the 992 in sport mode definitely much higher pitch which i like it better than the GT4. We are talking about 4K RPM (still break in period). In GT4 the higher pitch don't show up until 7K RPM. If you like intake sound the GT4 deliver in that category. Also the mechanical valve noise on the GT4 is more pronounce. Road and tire noise is louder on 992, again due to its thinner insulation and wider tires. May be because i can ran the 992 much lower RPM in higher gear equal to less engine noise and the more dominant road noise. On the GT4 the engine RPM are needed, again given by design.
Bakes: The 992 brakes feels more sensitive, the ability to modulate the linear portion of the brake seems narrow compared to the GT4, Again, this could be to the new brake of the 992 still bedding.
Power: The two cars are very comparable in specs. Limited to 4K RPM still in break in period i can only give very limited experience. The lower end torque of the 992 is pronounce and more suited for street, i get away lazy on the gear selection below 3K RPM. Otherwise on GT4 you need to slip clutch to keep it same gear or shift to the lower gear.
Attention Factor: The GT4 hands down are more recognized by the younger populations, but also unwanted reaction sometimes when they chase you just to get a glimpse of the car. I don't know how many times teenage kids speeding next to us just to give us a thumbs up. Heck i was impress even teenage girls recognize it from Granturismo? I like low key, for me public attention is a double edge sword. Hopefully the red accent is not to loud.
Overall: I don't missed the GT4 nor feeling of regrets that i feel i'm short changes in the 992 in term of performance. For my purpose the 992 T is easier to enjoy its limits. The GT4 has higher limits in terms its edge. For street use its hard to keep your discipline in check, the more you step on the gas the better it perform, sometime we are by nature don't back down until that feeling of danger. May be i'm talking to early on the 992, until i complete my brake in, only time will tell.
The guy on the picture is my son 6' ft and 182 lbs. Just for reference, he barely fit on the carbon bucket seat, we both agree daily use not ideal. I'm glad we stayed with the 4 way standard seats. PS my wife received a client phone call during our ride this afternoon, i asked her if the cabin noise a problem during the phone conversation, she said NO problem.
Comforth: Definitely the 992 chassis provide ample of space inside the cabin. This is one of the reason i'm switching. Also this is base on 4 ways standard seats on a 992 vs 18 ways for the GT4. Like wise the head room for a 6' ft guy and if i decide to track with close face helmet has plenty of clearance. Being i'm in heavier side (240 lbs), the 4 way seats provide very good support, may be even better than the GT4. Leg room space on the 992 is also wider.
Manual Transmission: The shift throw on the GT4 is shorter compared to the 992. The feel is comparable precise and sporty. One thing i notice on the 992, the 7th gear is hard to shift, having trouble to be honest. Given sometime i'll learn a more efficient way. But my gosh i need some serious upper body workout. Otherwise you'll have it in 5th gear accidentally.
Steering: No doubt the GT4 is more direct, simply due to the GT steering joints. Sometimes i feel for road use the GT4 can get a little busy, any deviation on the roads, the car will track and will need correction. My son describe it like he really two hands on the steering wheel to control. The 992 is more relax the small road deviation get self corrected maybe due to the additional rubber joints helps absorb and reduce the deflection. Then again two different purpose cars. I also feel that the GT4 steering is lighter, like it need some toe and camber to make it self centering. The 992 is perfect for my taste in highway speed, the right amount of feedback.
Suspension: Honestly in Sport Mode the two cars close, the 992 advantage is you have more setting so that's given. This is base on street road use, i'm sure on a track coarse we have different story. Also I've never track my GT4.
Riding dynamics: The 992 is equipped with rear wheel steering. Since i have minimal time yet on the 992 but noticeable bias weight on the rear, i mean when turning, the wiping effect? The GT4 feel more nimble (again this is given and it should be).
Cabin Noise and Exhaust Note: Exhaust note on the 992 in sport mode definitely much higher pitch which i like it better than the GT4. We are talking about 4K RPM (still break in period). In GT4 the higher pitch don't show up until 7K RPM. If you like intake sound the GT4 deliver in that category. Also the mechanical valve noise on the GT4 is more pronounce. Road and tire noise is louder on 992, again due to its thinner insulation and wider tires. May be because i can ran the 992 much lower RPM in higher gear equal to less engine noise and the more dominant road noise. On the GT4 the engine RPM are needed, again given by design.
Bakes: The 992 brakes feels more sensitive, the ability to modulate the linear portion of the brake seems narrow compared to the GT4, Again, this could be to the new brake of the 992 still bedding.
Power: The two cars are very comparable in specs. Limited to 4K RPM still in break in period i can only give very limited experience. The lower end torque of the 992 is pronounce and more suited for street, i get away lazy on the gear selection below 3K RPM. Otherwise on GT4 you need to slip clutch to keep it same gear or shift to the lower gear.
Attention Factor: The GT4 hands down are more recognized by the younger populations, but also unwanted reaction sometimes when they chase you just to get a glimpse of the car. I don't know how many times teenage kids speeding next to us just to give us a thumbs up. Heck i was impress even teenage girls recognize it from Granturismo? I like low key, for me public attention is a double edge sword. Hopefully the red accent is not to loud.
Overall: I don't missed the GT4 nor feeling of regrets that i feel i'm short changes in the 992 in term of performance. For my purpose the 992 T is easier to enjoy its limits. The GT4 has higher limits in terms its edge. For street use its hard to keep your discipline in check, the more you step on the gas the better it perform, sometime we are by nature don't back down until that feeling of danger. May be i'm talking to early on the 992, until i complete my brake in, only time will tell.
The guy on the picture is my son 6' ft and 182 lbs. Just for reference, he barely fit on the carbon bucket seat, we both agree daily use not ideal. I'm glad we stayed with the 4 way standard seats. PS my wife received a client phone call during our ride this afternoon, i asked her if the cabin noise a problem during the phone conversation, she said NO problem.
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I couldn’t be more happier that @1stgear has the wheels . Glad to see them on another T …. Also heard my T finally sold and I’m not ok lol. I hope they’re on here
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Some nicely shaded parking while out and about.
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Came up on a 992 in python green today on my drive home from work. So exciting to see although I was in my Urq so there's no way the driver would know we belong to the same club. 911 on the back, no side stripes. Looked so sweet but unlikely it was a T tho.
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