ipse dixit

Ask some of the 918 owners.

Crusje

​​​Let me get my crystal ball for lmao

M3Inline6

Exactly what I was alluding to earlier, but he got triggered……and then offered examples he already had experience with or that relevant information was readily available (…e.g…tires, brakes, etc.).

Fullyield

Two comments:

1.) Nothing with the batteries or electrical system in a 992.2 GTS should be considered “routine”. Imagine if the generator or starter needs replacement. Porsche warranty on the 400V battery is 8 years. Toyota warranty on Camry hybrid battery is 12 years.
2.) The only way I can afford a 911 is if I can perform all the routine maintenance myself in my garage on my Quick Jack. I cannot afford to own a car where I am paying shop rates of $400 for oil change, $1200 for brakes pad swap, or other routine maintenance, etc. Once the car becomes that complicated, I will look for something else. I am not saying the 992.2 GTS is that car. I am saying I do not yet know if it is or not. So, I am in “wait and see” mode on the 992.2 GTS. Sharkwerks has a point, though! So, I want to see some history.

Fullyield

Wow, do you think that response to M3’Inline6’s comments was warranted? Rennlist = differing opinions, right? I do not see anything he said as “disruptive “.

yrralis1

This is true . It ought not be where a person has to reject any trim to feel safe with the entry level . Had Porsche stated in the premiere that the new car is more easily accessible to technicians for a speedy and efficient service it would not leave this huge unknown . If Porsche stated that the hybrid battery is warrantied for 10 years it would have been reassuring .

I just wentthrough the experience of selling the 992.1 , When a dealership offers 130K for a car that cost 173 that has known reliability can you imagine what theywould do on a 200K car with issues if one tries to bail ? Fortunately two dependents beat the dealership offer by 15 and 16K and I was offered the chance to make more on consignment .

I am looking at the downside risks to the new car and there isa lot of it . Now I realize there are a. few guys here who practically boast about maximizing their loss but I am not one of them .

I am going to wait . I want to see the S. I want to see the Turbo. I already started looking at used Gt3's .

I am glad I sold my car . I had 2 great years and got a decent chunk back , Dealerships these days seem to feel like they are calling the shots . They dont .

yrralis1

He did not answer the question , Other people did . I post in other forums where his post as well as yours above would be deleted as "off topic" .
Off topic posts are disruptive . This is a thread about maintenance expectations . Its not a thread about the Op's other cars or whether one feels its a valid question ,
I should not have to publicly explain this to you. but consider it an effort to be considerate .

I would like to move back to topic ......

PHX

Are you worried more about the projected maintenance cost(s) or the resale/trade value after you theoretically purchase a 992.2?

Cars are depreciating and not investment opportunities as a general rule, however you got that part down. Maintenance on the new 992.2 is quite simply, to me, going to be more expensive, just based on the additional systems and components they have now.

yrralis1

I agree with you . It's tough to give up the number 1 slot but the maintenance downside risk is that big .

yrralis1

If the car is a big problem it could end up like the Taycan (200K cars are now retail at 85K ) . If the car is a home run then Porsche will raise the price and it's off to the races . It looks like Sharkwerks is already looking at this engine with pause . Every technician in my shop wants t buy a modified 997.1 Turbo which. I kept all these years and none have voiced excitement with the new car . I wish there were some technicians reading who might share their concerns like Sharkwerks did .

My full spec is 195K . My poverty spec is 176K . Thats a big difference .

detansinn

Taycan depreciation is pretty consistent with good ole luxury sedan depreciation. Luxury sedan depreciation has always been significant, even for Porsche. Heck, look at used Panamera values.

I would not expect any 911 to follow that trajectory. People always want 911s.

yrralis1

There are also a few things I find confusing with the car :

1) The nomenclature .. When the Taycan was called a "Turbo " everyone caught it but none are seeing it with this GTS . Usually a GTS is released later in the cycle and is a relative to the S . We dont know yet what the S is .

2) The Promo Color - EVERY GTS since 2008 was released in a promo featuring Carmine . Why is Porsche deviating so much (in 1 and 2 ) ?

3) Every 911 GTS has had the door inscription of "GTS" . This one has "T -Hybrid" . I find that odd .

It begs the question . Is this really a GTS ? Or is Porsche just calling this high risk car a "GTS" ?

yrralis1

Salesman showed me an internal paper from Porsche . It's what they expect the car values to be for every model , each year , with 10K miles driven . The 911 was the one they expected to hold the most value . The Taycan was the least by a huge margin . Even the Panamera beat it .
My 992.1 GTS cost less to own than my Macan GTS . Maintenance will play a big role in the new car . It's not just cost and about money . Its inconvenient and stressfull to live the shop facing repairs on a problematic car.

yrralis1

This guy is exactly where I am at on this .

M3Inline6

My question about your current car was an attempt at being friendly, as I’ve interacted with you without issue on 992Forum in the past. I was just genuinely curious. You lashed out, but I did answer your question. I just didn’t answer it the way you wanted me to by spitballing or tossing predictions at the wall to see what sticks.